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Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by lawlessone »

iagovar wrote: post #58
torgian wrote: post #28

"""On the matter of parts being lost, in early 2017 a review by the Federal Aviation Administration upheld Mr Barnett's concerns, establishing that the location of at least 53 "non-conforming" parts was unknown, and that they were considered lost. Boeing was ordered to take remedial action""" That's not just bad; this is really, _really_ bad. In my eight years of the Navy, working on aircraft, parts and tool accounta…

I would say, as european, that all this storm of shit is good news for Airbus, but I hop on Boeing planes too, and I think competition is good news. Boeing is maybe too big to fail, but the reputation hit they are taking may lead to companies not buying their planes, thus pushing for least competition, which is bad news for everyone. Airbus being the kind of behemoth company it is, I am convinced that without Boeing'…

>, but the reputation hit they are taking may lead to companies not buying their planes, thus pushing for least competition

If the company doesn't suffer for such failures then competition doesn't matter.

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by vintagedave »

madaxe_again wrote: post #53
esel2k wrote: post #4

Coming from another highly regulated industry: Medical Devices, I think it is not uncommon that Bosses ignore processes and for the sake of numbers (cash & career) would just override them. As long as they are protegee of any higher up on the ladder people generally don’t care and as long no serious lawsuit would put people into jail I am wondering if this is ever going to change. Anyone has made other experiences?

I am aware of a cover-up regarding a broadly deployed consumer medical device made by a giant American healthcare co., intended for internal use, which contained levels of lead exceeding allowed levels. Millions of units were shipped, many of them targeted at children. They screwed up using their materials management solution, and miscalculated. They realised about 18 months after it had hit the market. The revised p…

> which contained levels of lead exceeding allowed levels... many of them targeted at children

You know the catchphrase, "think of the children", often used to justify some kind of overreach?

In this case, please, _think of the children_ and for the sake of us all, even anonymously, get that info to the media.

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by SolaceQuantum »

jajag wrote: post #57
LegitShady wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All Jazeera is garbage. If it's legitimate find a real source for it. I don't need the government of Qatar's propaganda and you shouldn't trust some of it because it co firms your biases. Treat bar actors as bad actors even if what they're saying this moment is something that interests you.

Judge the content not the source.

I don’t know if this is entirely correct for all circumstances. It’s possible that a source known for complete fabrication of facts may display a very unbiased looking content; it’s just that none of the content is real. Like The Onion. It’s also important to note sources for their biases so you may be able to discern what facts are being intentionally left out of an otherwise comprehensive content.

Perhaps some mix of both is necessary?

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by osivertsson »

xwvvvvwx wrote: post #42

How can I tell when I’m booking a flight if that plane will be boeing? I would like to avoid them (for the time being at least).

As mentioned in the other answers as a consumer you can try but you will have no guarantee of airplane type.

I do wonder if this fear of flying Boeing will spread to company travel departments?

Say a few of the really big companies in the world decide their employees should not fly Boeing. That support for this is being baked into booking systems and demanded from operators. Could Boeing ever recover?

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by rorykoehler »

sandworm101 wrote: post #59
iagovar wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say, as european, that all this storm of shit is good news for Airbus, but I hop on Boeing planes too, and I think competition is good news. Boeing is maybe too big to fail, but the reputation hit they are taking may lead to companies not buying their planes, thus pushing for least competition, which is bad news for everyone. Airbus being the kind of behemoth company it is, I am convinced that without Boeing'…

After the demise of the a380 project i doubt airbus will ever think again that the aircraft can sell themselves.

A380 is an amazing business case. Ask anyone who has flown on one what their favourite commercial plane is and I would bet the majority will say it's the A380. Despite that it was still a commercial failure.

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by kpU8efre7r »

iagovar wrote: post #58
torgian wrote: post #28

"""On the matter of parts being lost, in early 2017 a review by the Federal Aviation Administration upheld Mr Barnett's concerns, establishing that the location of at least 53 "non-conforming" parts was unknown, and that they were considered lost. Boeing was ordered to take remedial action""" That's not just bad; this is really, _really_ bad. In my eight years of the Navy, working on aircraft, parts and tool accounta…

I would say, as european, that all this storm of shit is good news for Airbus, but I hop on Boeing planes too, and I think competition is good news. Boeing is maybe too big to fail, but the reputation hit they are taking may lead to companies not buying their planes, thus pushing for least competition, which is bad news for everyone. Airbus being the kind of behemoth company it is, I am convinced that without Boeing'…

Good for Airbus for putting out safer aircraft.

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by service_bus »

xwvvvvwx wrote: post #42

How can I tell when I’m booking a flight if that plane will be boeing? I would like to avoid them (for the time being at least).

Most airlines typically try to purchase their fleet all from the same manufacturer if they can.

There's a lot of additional cost that goes into maintenance, pilot training, pilot availability, etc. that has to be accounted for if you're mixing aircraft from different manufacturers.

You can just look up the aircraft owned by an airline and it will give you a pretty good idea what to expect.

You can also go on flight tracker sites and just look at what aircraft are running the route currently, which would also be a good indicator.

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by [deleted] »

rorykoehler wrote: post #65
sandworm101 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After the demise of the a380 project i doubt airbus will ever think again that the aircraft can sell themselves.

A380 is an amazing business case. Ask anyone who has flown on one what their favourite commercial plane is and I would bet the majority will say it's the A380. Despite that it was still a commercial failure.

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Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by sandworm101 »

rorykoehler wrote: post #65
sandworm101 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After the demise of the a380 project i doubt airbus will ever think again that the aircraft can sell themselves.

A380 is an amazing business case. Ask anyone who has flown on one what their favourite commercial plane is and I would bet the majority will say it's the A380. Despite that it was still a commercial failure.

Exactly. A good airplane isnt enough. The manufacturer has to follow the market, not expect that thier new aircraft will create that market.

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by salex89 »

sandworm101 wrote: post #59
iagovar wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would say, as european, that all this storm of shit is good news for Airbus, but I hop on Boeing planes too, and I think competition is good news. Boeing is maybe too big to fail, but the reputation hit they are taking may lead to companies not buying their planes, thus pushing for least competition, which is bad news for everyone. Airbus being the kind of behemoth company it is, I am convinced that without Boeing'…

After the demise of the a380 project i doubt airbus will ever think again that the aircraft can sell themselves.

The A380 might actually live the destiny of the 767 or 757.

Sure, it was a handful for the manufacturer, luckily pulled it off, kinda broke even after some time. But it will be long gone when it will be really needed, when large hubs become even more congested or certain P2P lines heavily overgrow on themselves.

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