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World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by RcouF1uZ4gsC »

anonuser123456 wrote: post #80
jawilson2 wrote: post #34

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> No leader of a developing country is going to go to their people and say, "Sorry, for the sake of the planet we are going to remain poor." And no leader of developed country is going to go to their people and say, "Sorry, for the sake of the planet, we are going to have to give up our lifestyle, and curtail our economic growth." Then we will all die, and will deserve it.

"We will all die" is such hyperbole. Billions of poor people? Sure. But in developed nation's, technology will keep us going for a long time.

If you want to save the lives of poor people from climate change, the number one thing you could do is help them develop as fast as possible. When the temperatures get high, having access to dependable electricity and air conditioning can mean the difference between life and depth. Having reliable road and rail networks means that if the crops fail, food from outside can easily be brought in to stave off starvation.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by farah7 »

s_henry_paulson wrote: post #60
quest1 wrote: post #12

Articles about Climate Change seem to get very few comments on Hacker News. I think nearly every other article on the home page right now has more comments including an articles about building a flying taxi (47 comments). Honest Question: Why is there seemingly such little interest in what very well could be a huge threat to the survival of humanity? I asked a similar question here - and it got 0 comments! https://ne…

This isn't reddit. Everyone doesn't need to chime in on a subject. If you're not a subject matter expert, I personally would prefer you not comment at all. It's much more pleasant to read discussion from people that know what they're talking about rather than people offering their opinions because they think that other people want to read them. This is primarily a technology site, so it's not surprising when you have…

>If you're not a subject matter expert, I personally would prefer you not comment at all.

This is silly. Subject matter experts in adjacent or even irrelevant fields often have a lot to add to discussions. HN would be really boring if only only 'subject matter experts' chimed in discussions.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by Supermancho »

adamch wrote: post #57
the-dude wrote: post #54

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People will migrate up to where the coast is. The North-Sea used to be inhatibed ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland )

On a long timescale, yes, they will. On a short timescale, many people will die. You can't just move an entire house to a different city (and obviously no-one will be able to sell a house on a drowning coastline). For example, the Pacific Islands will face rising tides along their whole coastline, while simultaneously facing extreme weather events and agricultural disruption. What's your solution for an entire countr…

Some people will die of ancillary causes (mostly lost wealth). It will impact the poorest, and frankly dumbest, individuals who will not face a creeping inevitability.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by tchaffee »

cjaro wrote: post #38
dunnevens wrote: post #33

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Here's my American-centric hot take. People here feel powerless. This isn't a problem which can be dealt with on the personal level. The politicians are largely useless. One party completely denies there's a problem and actively derails any governmental attempt to address it. The other party is often timid, scared of its own shadow, and only proposes weak remedies. Furthermore, most of us here agree that it's happeni…

I agree - I don't eat meat and I'm not having children, but it feels very futile when you take into consideration the levels of corporate pollution, pollution from China, wasteful practices, corruption and apathy from our government leaders, attacks on personal liberties... it all gets so dismally depressing very quickly. It's great to frequent subreddits like r/antinatalism and r/collapse, just for the pure support,…

> pollution from China

Really from Western consumers if you look at who the vast majority of those factory products go to. The US used to be just as bad a polluter until it became easy for US companies to move to a country with fewer regulations.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by tasteslikepaper »

fumar wrote: post #22

Is there a solution for rapid change from the private sector? I don't believe the current US policy makers will act on climate change.

The one solution I see is replacing traditional meat (especially beef) by alternatives like Beyond Meat or processed insects.

I believe that we can see a huge shift once meat alternatives become a viable alternative, not only for the sake of direct methane/CO2 consumption but also in terms of rain forest preservation (iirc, around 77% of the total soy production go into mass breeding).

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by akvadrako »

heisenzombie wrote: post #43
the-dude wrote: post #32

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Let's please remember you have asked for it. I have lived through : - The end of the cold war, we were all going to die a horrible death, all at once. - Acid rain, all forests would die and consequently we would die too or have a terrible planet - The hole in the ozone layer, we would all get skin cancer ( I can't remember if we would die ) - Tchernobyl with elevated radiation stretching into Europe. Could not eat ap…

Just pick one of your points that seems misunderstood: > In my time, the hockey-stick would be an indication there is something wrong with the model ( instability ). "Nature does not behave this way" But the popularly known "hockey stick" graph isn't a model prediction, it's a reconstruction of past and current temperatures. "Nature is currently behaving this way"... And as you point out, that's an indication that th…

It's not actually a reconstruction of temperatures – it's cherry-picked data to support a per-determined conclusion.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by LoSboccacc »

quest1 wrote: post #12

Articles about Climate Change seem to get very few comments on Hacker News. I think nearly every other article on the home page right now has more comments including an articles about building a flying taxi (47 comments). Honest Question: Why is there seemingly such little interest in what very well could be a huge threat to the survival of humanity? I asked a similar question here - and it got 0 comments! https://ne…

it's hard to have a discussion when every diverging opinion gets drowned in down votes and circle jerks are only interesting as long as the central argument is fascinating but climate change is in it's own definition "settled science"
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