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Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by LegitShady »

piva00 wrote: post #36
usr1106 wrote: post #16

There is at least one big airline that denies to accept airliners built in Charleston. Don't remember which. So quality problems are not invented by a single disgruntled employee. There have been news articles before https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/business/boeing-dreamline... says that Qatar Airways "stopped" accepting planes fron Charleston. Not sure whether that means indefinitely or until the planes in questio…

Al Jazeera has a long report on YouTube [0] covering the allegations around Charleston, I know that they can be biased against the US but this report is quite eye opening. Even more given the interview with a VP (or director, can't remember exactly the position) being cut short by the PR person involved, the reports from workers inside the factory stating they wouldn't fly a plane built there, etc. [0] https://www.yo…

All Jazeera is garbage. If it's legitimate find a real source for it. I don't need the government of Qatar's propaganda and you shouldn't trust some of it because it co firms your biases. Treat bar actors as bad actors even if what they're saying this moment is something that interests you.

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by trhway »

>the sharp metal pieces — produced when fasteners were fitted into nuts

does it sound like too powerful (i.e. fast which translates to assembly speed) tools are applied to too cheap (like in manufactured to loose tolerances from cheap metal) fasteners and nuts?

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by lotsofpulp »

xwvvvvwx wrote: post #42

How can I tell when I’m booking a flight if that plane will be boeing? I would like to avoid them (for the time being at least).

You won’t, and airlines have no obligation to transport you on a specific plane. The airlines’ website most times lists what aircraft they are scheduled to use, but they can be swapped anytime if the need arises.

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by piva00 »

LegitShady wrote: post #41
piva00 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Al Jazeera has a long report on YouTube [0] covering the allegations around Charleston, I know that they can be biased against the US but this report is quite eye opening. Even more given the interview with a VP (or director, can't remember exactly the position) being cut short by the PR person involved, the reports from workers inside the factory stating they wouldn't fly a plane built there, etc. [0] https://www.yo…

All Jazeera is garbage. If it's legitimate find a real source for it. I don't need the government of Qatar's propaganda and you shouldn't trust some of it because it co firms your biases. Treat bar actors as bad actors even if what they're saying this moment is something that interests you.

Al Jazeera is in general completely biased against Israel and YES, I MENTIONED that I have issues with a lot of their reporting.

At the same time watch the report and get your own conclusions before shooting it down based on YOUR biases and prejudices, that reporting is solid, it has video evidence from an employee walking inside the Charleston factory and chatting with co-workers regarding the safety of the planes and the assembly line.

So please, be more sensible about your sourcing, this is solid even though biased, just take it with a grain of salt and critical thinking about what parts you should consider and what to disconsider... It's a real source.

Also: be more civil, I expect better from Hacker News, your comment read like something out of Reddit.

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by londons_explore »

piva00 wrote: post #45
LegitShady wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All Jazeera is garbage. If it's legitimate find a real source for it. I don't need the government of Qatar's propaganda and you shouldn't trust some of it because it co firms your biases. Treat bar actors as bad actors even if what they're saying this moment is something that interests you.

Al Jazeera is in general completely biased against Israel and YES, I MENTIONED that I have issues with a lot of their reporting. At the same time watch the report and get your own conclusions before shooting it down based on YOUR biases and prejudices, that reporting is solid, it has video evidence from an employee walking inside the Charleston factory and chatting with co-workers regarding the safety of the planes a…

One ends up with the most rounded view of the world by reviewing media with many different slants and biases and assuming the truth probably lies somewhere between all the biased news stories.

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by piva00 »

londons_explore wrote: post #46
piva00 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Al Jazeera is in general completely biased against Israel and YES, I MENTIONED that I have issues with a lot of their reporting. At the same time watch the report and get your own conclusions before shooting it down based on YOUR biases and prejudices, that reporting is solid, it has video evidence from an employee walking inside the Charleston factory and chatting with co-workers regarding the safety of the planes a…

One ends up with the most rounded view of the world by reviewing media with many different slants and biases and assuming the truth probably lies somewhere between all the biased news stories.

That is what I strive to do, I've lived too many years almost blindingly trusting what are considered good sources. Being critical and sourcing from different angles on the same issue has helped me a lot on the past 5-6 years to get a more nuanced worldview.

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by londons_explore »

jMyles wrote: post #5
spectramax wrote: post #3

Just curious - what are the repercussions for an untruthful whistleblower? Say someone is disgruntled, fired or laid off and wants to cause the company some level of public harm?

Certainly they can be held civilly liable if defamation can be proved. If actual spite and malice can be shown, or if the suspect intends to profit from the action, it's possible that there may be criminal laws that apply, depending on the state.

Are there any studies or reports of typical repercussions faced by whistle blowers for false reports?

I'd guess both false and true reports suffer approximately the same repercussions...

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by gpderetta »

xiphias2 wrote: post #21
usr1106 wrote: post #16

There is at least one big airline that denies to accept airliners built in Charleston. Don't remember which. So quality problems are not invented by a single disgruntled employee. There have been news articles before https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/business/boeing-dreamline... says that Qatar Airways "stopped" accepting planes fron Charleston. Not sure whether that means indefinitely or until the planes in questio…

I would imagine that now that people hate Boeing management for risking their life it's much easier for other airplane startups to raise VC money and be succesful.

Move fast and break things. What could possibly go wrong.

Re: Boeing whistleblower raises doubts over 787 oxygen system

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Post by londons_explore »

krn wrote: post #12
riffraff wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me the FAA comes out of this looking terrible, even if the accusations are not grounded it seems absurd that no actions were taken to verify such a notice coming from a QA engineer in the company itself. I wonder if other regulatory bodies around the world could/would/should have done something.

> It seems to me the FAA comes out of this looking terrible, even if the accusations are not grounded it seems absurd that no actions were taken to verify such a notice coming from a QA engineer in the company itself. This has been going for a long time now[1]: > Instead of being manufactured by the approved computerised process, Ducommun employees were cutting the parts by hand - literally using a felt-tipped pen to…

Cutting parts by hand isn't necessarily bad. But they should have gone to a design engineer and said "we're hand cutting these parts, and don't think we can get accuracy better than 1/32nd of an inch. Will that compromise the design?"

The engineer will then run a few tests and simulations, green-light the change, a superior will check the maths, and they'll be good to go with making the part by hand.

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