Glyphosate in Organic Hydroponic Food Production
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Glyphosate in Organic Hydroponic Food Production
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#2> NOP argues that because glyphosate does not “touch” the plants being certified, it is technically still “organic.” If that’s not the craziest assumption I’ve heard in regards to organic food production, I don’t know what is. For those of you who don’t know – anything that touches the soil eventually gets taken up by the plant. It becomes apart of the plants tissues and DNA. It is unavoidable.
IIUC, they’re spraying the ground with glyphosate to clear it, then after some time period of it dissipating, planting atop the soil but not applying the herbicide again during the crops growing phase.
If the plants being grown are not glyphosate resistant (e.g. “roundup ready”) and there’s a non-trivial level of it remaining in the soil, wouldn’t that kill the crops? Reversing that, are there any significant levels in the ground or absorbed by the plants at that point? Seems like it’s a “no”.
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#3The buried lede here is that "organic", as applied to food is itself a meaningless concept. It's just an ersatz religious practice. What assurance is there that no glyphosate particles have found their way onto your artisanal apple grown in zebu manure?
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#4At least, when I am purchasing "Organic" products, I would expect to use the least or zero amount of pesticide/herbicide/etc. in the growth of the "organic" plants and animals.
If the article is showing the truth, it feels like those companies are cheating the consumers who are paying for that premium product. It's also unfortunate that there are certifications companies that are either created or "cooped" by companies that are really interested in bending the rules for their own sake.
Not sure if there is a way to block or hamper those interest group effectively.
*Edited: I understand that the companies are using the herbicide before the planting in order to "kill" whatever is there; however, the concept of organic - the way I believe - should avoid the usage of chemicals that are being used in the massive agriculture for cash crops; and even if that is not being actively use in the "organic" plant.
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#5> NOP argues that because glyphosate does not “touch” the plants being certified, it is technically still “organic.” If that’s not the craziest assumption I’ve heard in regards to organic food production, I don’t know what is. For those of you who don’t know – anything that touches the soil eventually gets taken up by the plant. It becomes apart of the plants tissues and DNA. It is unavoidable. IIUC, they’re spraying…
> If the plants being grown are not glyphosate resistant (e.g. “roundup ready”) and there’s a non-trivial level of it remaining in the soil, wouldn’t that kill the crops?
No, because hydroponic crops are not planted into the soil.
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#6The article has an update at the top that references this USDA memo [1] that summarizes the regulation. I'm not sure how much of the article is invalid as a result, but it seems to make claims that are directly refuted by the memo dated 6 months before the article was published.
[1]: https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/2019-Cert...
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#7Round-Up is not really my idea of Organic.
The organic label was coopted years ago and has meant very little for years.
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#8> NOP argues that because glyphosate does not “touch” the plants being certified, it is technically still “organic.” If that’s not the craziest assumption I’ve heard in regards to organic food production, I don’t know what is. For those of you who don’t know – anything that touches the soil eventually gets taken up by the plant. It becomes apart of the plants tissues and DNA. It is unavoidable. IIUC, they’re spraying…
> If the plants being grown are not glyphosate resistant (e.g. “roundup ready”) and there’s a non-trivial level of it remaining in the soil, wouldn’t that kill the crops? No, because hydroponic crops are not planted into the soil.
I totally missed the hydroponic part but now I’m even more confused. If the plants are hydroponic than what are they spraying and why? The land around and under the greenhouse?
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#9Organic has always been a marketing gimmick to help sell generic food products. If it were actually about pesticide-free farming it would be called "pesticide-free" not "organic."
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#10> NOP argues that because glyphosate does not “touch” the plants being certified, it is technically still “organic.” If that’s not the craziest assumption I’ve heard in regards to organic food production, I don’t know what is. For those of you who don’t know – anything that touches the soil eventually gets taken up by the plant. It becomes apart of the plants tissues and DNA. It is unavoidable. IIUC, they’re spraying…
How does it become part of the "DNA"? How does that work?