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When George Soros Broke the British Pound (2014)

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Re: When George Soros Broke the British Pound (2014)

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Market prices for currencies reflect what you can buy with them. If a country's economy is strong, they're exporting a lot of things that the world wants to buy from them, and the world wants to invest in a bunch in a number of securities denominated in their currency, the currency will be strong. If the country's economy weakens (relative to other countries in the global economy), the currency will weaken. There cou…

> "A generation of lazy people who don't work hard" I am sorry for derailing, but how does that happen, did they come out like a faulty batch from a factory? The mantra of "It's important to work hard" needs to die. Today we have fewer friends than ever, population is unhealthy and the biggest killer of young men is suicide. Please don't perpetuate this nonsense. It should be: "Work smart, and look after yourself/ yo…

>> "A generation of lazy people who don't work hard"

>I am sorry for derailing, but how does that happen, did they come out like a faulty batch from a factory?

One generation is unlikely to be much lazier than the last. But the economic policy of post-war Britain was dominated by nationalised industries and, rules made by and for the unions etc. Workers toiling hard in make-work industries or workers refusing work that breaks strict demarcation rules are as unproductive as lazy workers.

This sort of thing the generally poor economy of the UK, and why the UK did not produce stuff people wanted to buy. That it translated into a series financial crises depended on other factors.

Re: When George Soros Broke the British Pound (2014)

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Ah those poor boomers! Paying 15% interest on their £40,000 mortgage. These millennials don't know how easy they have it, paying 3% on their £200,000 mortgage.

the boomer can always refinance to the 3% - not sure what you are getting at here.

The OP is being sarcastic.

Re: When George Soros Broke the British Pound (2014)

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There seems to be an abundance of posts about Soros himself getting flagged killed in this thread. Why is that? Are his character and his political ambitions not relevant to a discussion about his demonstrated ability and intent to cause massive financial disturbance in the global economy?

I have show-dead on, and when I wrote this reply there are only(?) three dead root level comments. One is "Who is this guy" (which is unsubstitutive and seems like a Google search away), another is "Good example of why anyone should be skeptical of Soros. He is a profiteer with little regard for the damage he causes." (which I guess a case can be made for, but seems just a political/personal attack rather than partic…

Thank you for your description of E Michael Jones' literature. Which has nothing to do with my post.

Re: When George Soros Broke the British Pound (2014)

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The article explains that the UK government caused the massive disturbance. Soros made his money betting that it was happen.

Exactly. Yes, there were many members of the UK that became effectively less wealthy when the pound was devalued, but there were many members of other European nations that effectively became more wealthy. Why are we valuing one over the other.

how wealthy did you become when hyperinflation hit zimbabwe and venezuela? not very.

that's about how much a falling pound would create wealth in other countries.

it would make UK goods cheaper, so if you're a major trading partner then your purchasing power increases, but it doesn't create wealth.

Re: When George Soros Broke the British Pound (2014)

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This incident was the main reason the UK didn't enter the Euro. This wonderful BBC documentary explains everything on detail. https://youtu.be/K_oET45GzMI

Sometimes I wonder if this incident didn't happen, would the UK had entered the Euro and Brexit wouldn't be on the horizon today.

The Eurozone is fatally flawed because they share a currency but have no transfer payments between rich and poor members. So you have countries like Germany that are effectively subsidized by poorer countries.

It's been a great setup for 20 years if you've been in the German capital class, not so great for anyone else.

Re: When George Soros Broke the British Pound (2014)

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Ah those poor boomers! Paying 15% interest on their £40,000 mortgage. These millennials don't know how easy they have it, paying 3% on their £200,000 mortgage.

At 15% the boomer could fully pay and own the property within 5-10 years. Then save or go on to buy a new one. At 3% the millennial will still not be owning their property after 30 years.

Typical mortgage duration was and is ~25 years. The scenario in the 80s that gave homeowners relief was that the costs got inflated away (and MIRAS allowed the interest on a mortgage to be deducted from taxation)

Re: When George Soros Broke the British Pound (2014)

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Sometimes I wonder if this incident didn't happen, would the UK had entered the Euro and Brexit wouldn't be on the horizon today.

They fellout of the EMS because their economy wasn not as tightly coupled to the rest of what became the Eurozone (whether that level of coupling is good or bad is a matter of disagreement). So if this incident hadn't happened it's likely they would have had a touch time under the Euro. For a weak economy IMHO the Euro is worth the disadvantages (and I happen not to consider the inability to do competitive devaluatio…

There is not an economist I know of, left or right wing, who believes that joining the EUR was beneficial for weak economies. Especially for Italy, proved to be catastrophic. Greece was always a basket case but Italy was doing pretty well before joining.

Joining the EUR means literally giving up sovereignty. The Iron Lady explained that very concisely in her last speech as a PM in the House of Commons: “He who controls the interest rates in Europe, controls Europe”. Couldn’t be more “spot-on”.

Regarding the topic. The UK never considered itself part of “Europe”. There historical and cultural facts and the events of the 20th century that IMO played a major role in keeping their own currency.

Re: When George Soros Broke the British Pound (2014)

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I have show-dead on, and when I wrote this reply there are only(?) three dead root level comments. One is "Who is this guy" (which is unsubstitutive and seems like a Google search away), another is "Good example of why anyone should be skeptical of Soros. He is a profiteer with little regard for the damage he causes." (which I guess a case can be made for, but seems just a political/personal attack rather than partic…

Thank you for your description of E Michael Jones' literature. Which has nothing to do with my post.

What do you mean?

You mentioned how many people are getting flagged, and I gave an example of one of the posts getting flagged?

Re: When George Soros Broke the British Pound (2014)

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It's interesting to read this with an eye on current global macroeconomic conditions. The dollar is significantly overvalued today, a result of its status as the global reserve currency. And the consequences of that are all the same ones mentioned for the pound in the article. The U.S. has been running a large current account deficit since 1980: we import more than we export. Our jobs are moving overseas, because it…

"we import more than we export. " Doubt that. Before you answer with a statistic, Google "dark matter in accounting" regarding the deficit. If apple sells an iPhone to Germany. In what export balance does it appear? What company makes the profits?

Magic, the profits are transmuted into a sandwich?

Re: When George Soros Broke the British Pound (2014)

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> If you build a house on rotten stilts, and some neighborhood kid comes and kicks one of them, it's not the kid's fault when the house collapses. It's at least partially the kid's fault. Don't go kicking stilts under houses.

If someone will pay you billions to go kicking stilts there would be few who could resist. Betting against a nation state is usually a losing proposition, Soros happened to have large enough boots to do the kicking.

Noting the boots are not his and he risked nothing personally in the process. hedge fund = betting other people money.
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