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World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

alexeiz wrote: post #59

> The climate crisis is closely linked to excessive consumption of the wealthy lifestyle. My bullshit detector went off here. I don't known how any reputable scientist can claim that.

Well... in almost all cases, the wealthy lifestyle produces more carbon than a less-wealthy lifestyle in the same country.

The thing is, though, that the wealthy lifestyle isn't that common. Are we talking about the 1%? Well, only 1% of the people can live that lifestyle. Are they responsible for 2% of carbon emissions? 5%? 10%? That still leaves 90% of carbon emissions.

So, yeah. The quoted statement seems to be far more political than it is based on objective evidence.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by realldeal »

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Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by on_and_off »

maelito wrote: post #28
on_and_off wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another question : what can I do to make things change ?

One way is to reduce your climate impact to 2 tons / year and spread the word.

well I already don't own a car (last mile vehicle is enough for my use), and follow a mediterranean diet, avoid waste, etc

But e.g. as much as I try to avoid single use plastic, my limited useage is not going to do much vs just banning / heavily taxing them.

So my question was more : what can I do to actually make the lines move.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by [deleted] »

quest1 wrote: post #12

Articles about Climate Change seem to get very few comments on Hacker News. I think nearly every other article on the home page right now has more comments including an articles about building a flying taxi (47 comments). Honest Question: Why is there seemingly such little interest in what very well could be a huge threat to the survival of humanity? I asked a similar question here - and it got 0 comments! https://ne…

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Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by mantap »

the-dude wrote: post #39
mantap wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hole in the ozone layer was stopped because countries got together and signed a treaty to ban CFCs. It is the most successful example of international collaboration on an environmental issue ever.

I am glad you agree on that point. And it wasn't a 'crisis'.

It was a crisis that was resolved through international action.

I'm not really sure what your point is. That we don't have to worry about global warming because countries are going to work together to stop it? I wish I had your optimism.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by SubiculumCode »

joeblow9999 wrote: post #68
SubiculumCode wrote: post #13

Climate Change is an existential threat. Period.

not even the most pessimistic IPCC projections describe it as an existential threat. youre buying into hype instead of science.

That is debatable, and is being debated. There remains a lot of unknowns, a lot of them having to do with the northern permafrosts that have been increasingly releasing methane.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by mantap »

throwaway933357 wrote: post #66
the-dude wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's please remember you have asked for it. I have lived through : - The end of the cold war, we were all going to die a horrible death, all at once. - Acid rain, all forests would die and consequently we would die too or have a terrible planet - The hole in the ozone layer, we would all get skin cancer ( I can't remember if we would die ) - Tchernobyl with elevated radiation stretching into Europe. Could not eat ap…

The greying-out of the above comment might suggest one reason people don't want to engage with the issue here. In technical discussions on HN, people are allowed to bring up contrarian opinions and ideas. In highly-politicized issues, people tend to line up on sides, and downvote accordingly. There are legitimate scientists who think climate is a potentially serious problem, like many others, but neither a crisis nor…

If you speak with authority on a subject you will probably get downvoted if you are wrong about it. At least one of either humility or accuracy is expected.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by tempguy9999 »

on_and_off wrote: post #73
maelito wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One way is to reduce your climate impact to 2 tons / year and spread the word.

well I already don't own a car (last mile vehicle is enough for my use), and follow a mediterranean diet, avoid waste, etc But e.g. as much as I try to avoid single use plastic, my limited useage is not going to do much vs just banning / heavily taxing them. So my question was more : what can I do to actually make the lines move.

I answered this before but can't find my post (is there an easy way to search your own comments?)

Basically I said put pressure on your politician. As an individual you can't do much, a politician is the person to make things happen - it's their job! - so pressure them.

I'm currently doing this to my own (in the UK). They seem to be struggling rather pitifully to understand the difference in priorities between Brexit, and a Catastrophe of Human Making aka climate change. Well, FWIW I'll keep pressuring them.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Post by anonuser123456 »

jawilson2 wrote: post #34
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #19

> The climate crisis is closely linked to excessive consumption of the wealthy lifestyle. > Excessive extraction of materials and overexploitation of ecosystems, driven by economic growth, must be quickly curtailed to maintain long-term sustainability of the biosphere. > Profoundly troubling signs from human activities include sustained increases in both human and ruminant livestock populations, per capita meat produ…

> No leader of a developing country is going to go to their people and say, "Sorry, for the sake of the planet we are going to remain poor." And no leader of developed country is going to go to their people and say, "Sorry, for the sake of the planet, we are going to have to give up our lifestyle, and curtail our economic growth." Then we will all die, and will deserve it.

"We will all die" is such hyperbole. Billions of poor people? Sure. But in developed nation's, technology will keep us going for a long time.
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