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World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Full of Y-axis manipulation. Alarmist language. And what does this mean ? ( from the conclusions ) : "Mitigating and adapting to climate change while honoring the diversity of humans" Did they get bonus points for the diversity angle?

Looks to me like the Y-axes were consistently manipulated, with the sinister aim of fitting all of the data points in some very limited real estate for each graph.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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Articles about Climate Change seem to get very few comments on Hacker News. I think nearly every other article on the home page right now has more comments including an articles about building a flying taxi (47 comments).

Honest Question: Why is there seemingly such little interest in what very well could be a huge threat to the survival of humanity?

I asked a similar question here - and it got 0 comments! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21027145

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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post #7

Full of Y-axis manipulation. Alarmist language. And what does this mean ? ( from the conclusions ) : "Mitigating and adapting to climate change while honoring the diversity of humans" Did they get bonus points for the diversity angle?

It's perfectly fine to truncate the y-axis on line charts when zero is not in the normal range of values. The charts all look very clear and it's easy to interpret the data and trends to me.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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post #12

Articles about Climate Change seem to get very few comments on Hacker News. I think nearly every other article on the home page right now has more comments including an articles about building a flying taxi (47 comments). Honest Question: Why is there seemingly such little interest in what very well could be a huge threat to the survival of humanity? I asked a similar question here - and it got 0 comments! https://ne…

Its a highly politicized topic.

The two major political parties in the United States are arguing over the validity of the claims. Even if you wanted to have a technical discussion, the average HN reader will not be able to put aside their political party's beliefs in order to actually evaluate claims made by individual scientists.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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post #12

Articles about Climate Change seem to get very few comments on Hacker News. I think nearly every other article on the home page right now has more comments including an articles about building a flying taxi (47 comments). Honest Question: Why is there seemingly such little interest in what very well could be a huge threat to the survival of humanity? I asked a similar question here - and it got 0 comments! https://ne…

Another question : what can I do to make things change ?

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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post #12

Articles about Climate Change seem to get very few comments on Hacker News. I think nearly every other article on the home page right now has more comments including an articles about building a flying taxi (47 comments). Honest Question: Why is there seemingly such little interest in what very well could be a huge threat to the survival of humanity? I asked a similar question here - and it got 0 comments! https://ne…

The topic is very politically divisive, because half the country refuses to acknowledge it. It's unfortunate that such controversies occur here. We're supposed to be an "idea lab".

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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> The climate crisis is closely linked to excessive consumption of the wealthy lifestyle.

> Excessive extraction of materials and overexploitation of ecosystems, driven by economic growth, must be quickly curtailed to maintain long-term sustainability of the biosphere.

> Profoundly troubling signs from human activities include sustained increases in both human and ruminant livestock populations, per capita meat production, world gross domestic product, global tree cover loss, fossil fuel consumption, the number of air passengers carried, carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions, and per capita CO2 emissions since 2000

There's the rub. The vast majority of people in the developing world want the wealthy, Western lifestyle. People like eating meat. People like having technology and air conditioning and transportation and using airplanes to visit far off places.

No leader of a developing country is going to go to their people and say, "Sorry, for the sake of the planet we are going to remain poor." And no leader of developed country is going to go to their people and say, "Sorry, for the sake of the planet, we are going to have to give up our lifestyle, and curtail our economic growth."

> Exactly 40 years ago, scientists from 50 nations met at the First World Climate Conference (in Geneva 1979) and agreed that alarming trends for climate change made it urgently necessary to act.

My guess is that 40 years from now, this group of scientists will put out a paper talking about how they have been warning us for the last 80 years, and we still haven't done anything.

Re: World Scientists’ Warning of a Climate Emergency

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it says worldwide, but we all know who this is aimed at. Global North countries with excess consumption are distinctly to blame. Why then, the emphasis on coordinated global action? Broad demands, like moving away from GDP and doing nice sustainable things instead are not productive. But when these kinds of alliances insist on ignoring the overwhelming burden of the US and friends on the climate crisis, instead asking for aid in moving developing countries and their minuscule footprint away from fossil fuels, its the only way to go about it. We need to understand that, as the developing world, this is not “our” fault. It is -their- fault. That’s why this will fizzle out like all the agreements before it. If these thousands of scientists want to make a change, they need to throw their weight behind specific policy proposals in specific guilty countries and get political, using their numbers as focused power and not as vague alarmism calling for impossible policy.
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