Alt.techcrunch.die.die.die • Hacker News Board

Re: Alt.techcrunch.die.die.die

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Post by cousin_it » Tue, Jun 10, 2008, 10:56 PM UTC

pg wrote: post #18

This is the top story on Hacker News? Embarrassing. Should I add downvotes on stories, for users over a certain karma threshold?

No, it will lead to more herd behavior. If people can't use upvotes reasonably, what makes you think they will use downvotes reasonably?

I think this story rose to the top because it's aligned with the eigenvector of TC-related talk at HN. Hive mind has awakened and achieved a stable thread of thought. Over time we will see more of those stable waves forming. I have twice purposely clickbaited to the top of HN, and several times at reddit - the eigenvectors of the hive mind aren't hard to see and exploit, but after a certain point it's not clear who exploits whom. :-)

The only way to stop it is restrict the community.

Re: Alt.techcrunch.die.die.die

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Post by walterk » Tue, Jun 10, 2008, 10:58 PM UTC

pg wrote: post #18

This is the top story on Hacker News? Embarrassing. Should I add downvotes on stories, for users over a certain karma threshold?

I'd suggest requiring everyone who submits a story to justify its relevance via the text box, ignoring all story submissions that don't have accompanying text (the exact opposite of how it currently works). That should deter a lot of impulse submissions, requiring users to think about why a story is worth posting here. And it should cultivate voting practices that maintain a stronger eye towards community relevance, as opposed to general interest. I.e., don't upvote unless the submitter successfully argues their case.

Restricting upvoting controls to a story's dedicated comments page would also deter impulse upvoting and force users to check out the justification.

Re: Alt.techcrunch.die.die.die

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Post by garfieldheights » Tue, Jun 10, 2008, 11:38 PM UTC

I do think we have more interesting things to talk about here.

Re: Alt.techcrunch.die.die.die

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Post by Wesmax27 » Wed, Jun 11, 2008, 2:40 AM UTC

Is it just me or did these types of articles start appearing once Arrington started promoting HN on TC?

Re: Alt.techcrunch.die.die.die

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Post by drawkbox » Wed, Jun 11, 2008, 3:02 AM UTC

To be honest I hope del.icio.us 2.0 never launches. Usually Yahoo has a knack of making things less usable. I really think they have a solid offering now (that is what made it purchasable) I would hate it to be another yahoo tv.

However I hardly go there, usually a track for me. so they could get some more traffic there if they changed their site but the service within the browser and distributed bookmarks will always be their main point.

Re: Alt.techcrunch.die.die.die

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Post by ericb » Wed, Jun 11, 2008, 4:14 AM UTC

pg wrote: post #18

This is the top story on Hacker News? Embarrassing. Should I add downvotes on stories, for users over a certain karma threshold?

I'd also publicize that "vote up if you like candy" posts will be deleted. That's the only danger of the story downvote that I see--that it will be used for reddit-style popularity polls.

Re: Alt.techcrunch.die.die.die

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Post by adrianwaj » Wed, Jun 11, 2008, 5:00 AM UTC

ajbatac wrote: post #25

adrianwaj wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell Arrington!

he should know already

There is a TechCrunch developer in the house:

http://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=hwork

henry@techcrunch.com

Re: Alt.techcrunch.die.die.die

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Post by Hexstream » Wed, Jun 11, 2008, 2:18 PM UTC

iigs wrote: post #38

pg wrote: post #18

This is the top story on Hacker News? Embarrassing. Should I add downvotes on stories, for users over a certain karma threshold?

Hello. I'm a lurker but I registered to make this comment, because I feel pretty strongly about it. I can understand that the tone of the article is one that you might not want to represent Hacker News, but I think the article subject is on point and worth considering. I have been fortunate enough to live under a rock and not follow techcrunch at all, until I started reading HN (I'm a recent reddit lurker, and as red…

If it took 5 downmods to negate an upmod would that fix the moderation warring problem?

Re: Alt.techcrunch.die.die.die

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Post by bayareaguy » Sat, Jun 14, 2008, 11:19 PM UTC

pg wrote: post #18

This is the top story on Hacker News? Embarrassing. Should I add downvotes on stories, for users over a certain karma threshold?

The problem with a direct downvote mechanism is tuning it properly. If it's too weak then it won't do much good and if it's too powerful then it could potentially do harm.

I think a better idea would be to allow the editors or leaders to have some way to enable the story downvote button for the rest of the community. Perhaps after two or three leaders downvote an article, the button would be enabled for everyone.