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Farm country feeds America, but try buying groceries there

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Re: Farm country feeds America, but try buying groceries there

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Can confirm, live in a rural farming/ranching area. Drive past farms (vegetable, grass, ornamental, and commodity) every day. Local grocery store trucks produce in from all over the country. The local grocery stores (Wal Mart, HEB) are also higher priced than even their stores in the nearby suburban area. We drive weekly to Aldi for most of our groceries, or to the bigger, nicer HEB with better food. The local farmer's market is overpriced trash / antiques and junk. We do have a local friend that gives/sells/trades eggs with us though.

Re: Farm country feeds America, but try buying groceries there

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Red states that vote the most against social programs are the biggest beneficiaries. It's the leech screaming "Leech!" in the mirror

Really? Because this poll suggests that Republicans are pretty supportive of things like Social Security and Medicare.

https://socialsecurityworks.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/N...

Re: Farm country feeds America, but try buying groceries there

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Walmart and the like killed local competition. There’s a gas station I stop at from time to time in the country with a Walmart next door. It’s insanely busy. I have family in the country and they accept having to drive to get decent groceries. There are seasonal vegetable and fruit stands but you couldn’t get everything you need. A local ranch sells beef but it would be quite expensive to buy year around unless you w…

To be honest, 3 years later and you still can’t figure out why Trump won.

And no, I am not a Trump supporter. I didn’t vote for him. I won’t vote for him. But it’s really easy to see how he won.

Re: Farm country feeds America, but try buying groceries there

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Red states that vote the most against social programs are the biggest beneficiaries. It's the leech screaming "Leech!" in the mirror

> Red states that vote the most against social programs are the biggest beneficiaries. It's the leech screaming "Leech!" in the mirror You're assuming in a "Red State," all those using social programs are the same ones screaming "Socialism!" This entire premise is based on your stereotype of one's politics. Perhaps you need to step back and re-examine your assertion. > Or based on what the politicians elected by thos…

Or based on what the politicians elected by those states say and then vote for. "Vote the most against"...

Re: Farm country feeds America, but try buying groceries there

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post #22

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Red states that vote the most against social programs are the biggest beneficiaries. It's the leech screaming "Leech!" in the mirror

Really? Because this poll suggests that Republicans are pretty supportive of things like Social Security and Medicare. https://socialsecurityworks.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/N...

Sure, and yet somehow they are consistently voting in people who want to dismantle both.

Re: Farm country feeds America, but try buying groceries there

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The article talks about Illinois as an example, but their main agricultural focus is corn and soybean production, which mostly becomes animal feed. It doesn’t surprise me that it would be hard to buy actual food in a place like that.

Illinois isn't particularly sparsely populated compared with the rural areas of the Dakotas and Montana. It's not uncommon to drive over 20 miles for groceries. Closer towns might have a convenience/general store, but prices will be high and selection minimal. You might make the trip only every other week, though. People tend to have freezers and root cellars to store the food they raise themselves. Canning, sadly, seems to be a lost art.

Re: Farm country feeds America, but try buying groceries there

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So the town in the article is going to be nearly completely unlivable without a vehicle and is about 20 miles from a Walmart. There will be few decent jobs that are walkable, limited medical care, etc, in a town of 1,500, it is just the way it is. Which isn't to say that these folks can't lament reduced access to food, but the literal availability of food is low there only if you ignore that other circumstances alrea…

The town in which I grew up was 30 minutes from the nearest Wal-Mart by car, and 15 minutes from the nearest real grocery store by car. Hell, "town" was three minutes by car from my house and we lived "close" compared to several of my friends. We had no police department. We had a volunteer only fire department and first responder unit. We partnered with a town 5 miles away for our school district. We were 13 miles from the nearest 4 lane highway. Most of our county roads were gravel. We had few problems with safety, food access, or economic access to plentiful jobs.

Living in a tiny, remote, rural town presents one with a ton of low level, low overhead, low skill, and valuable entrepreneurial opportunities. Property and office space are cheap. Housing, which would go for well into the $300k range in cities within commuting distance of an hour or less, costs between $50,000 and $200,000 (for a pretty luxurious place). Agriculture, inevitably the bedrock of most rural communities, provides needs for mechanics, scrap management, custom application, fuel, carpentry, veterinary medicine, real estate, law, education, commodities trading, banking, environmental protection, equipment dealerships, various parts suppliers, hairdressers, food and entertainment, communications, rental property management, accounting, coaching, and pretty much every other economical human endeavor. The opportunity is that most of these needs are met by people in the community - people who you know well and trust - and are insulated from competition by distance and the small market size. Many people were self-employed; as doctors, vets, concrete masons, farmers, restaurateurs, gas station franchise owners, specialty parts wholesalers, junkyard operators, etc. Sure, there was only one store where you could get plumbing supplies, but that family lived very comfortably in that niche, and had for two generations. You either chose to stay and start your own business that could meet a need in the local community, usually some specialized unskilled construction or mechanical labor, or got a degree and commuted to the nearby cities. Food was procured once a week from the far away grocery stores; but other than commuters and the weekly grocery errand, you often didn't need to leave the vicinity of the town for weeks or even months at a time. In cities, even with suburban life, not needing to leave your community for extended days at a time is exceedingly rare, even for suburbs with approximately the same population as my old small town. I drive thirty minutes across town to my clients' offices, for example. New Yorkers take the subway across burroughs to get to their jobs. The authors overstate the problems people in small towns face.

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Red states that vote the most against social programs are the biggest beneficiaries. It's the leech screaming "Leech!" in the mirror

Blue states filled with people who claim to be liberal generally support restrictive zoning and housing policies that make housing impossible for the poor and lower middle class to afford. Looking around the country it's generally "blue" areas that have the least affordable housing with very few exceptions.

Hypocrisy is pretty universal. Most people vote based on superficial affinity signaling, not any understanding of actual policies or their implications. The present political situation is what you get when people vote based on who they'd like to have a beer with, not whose ideas they support (or even understand).

Re: Farm country feeds America, but try buying groceries there

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We're just a blink away from a new era of autonomous vehicles, which should make most of this a moot point.

For all of these small rural communities, it makes sense for each of the local governments to purchase a fleet of vehicles that offer free shipping to its community from distant urban areas and subsidize on a local level.

The future of bricks-and-mortar (or cinder blocks and cement) is anyones guess, but frictionless delivery strategies could surprise us all with the remedies and solutions to the old-world logistics problems.

Re: Farm country feeds America, but try buying groceries there

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Really? Because this poll suggests that Republicans are pretty supportive of things like Social Security and Medicare. https://socialsecurityworks.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/N...

Sure, and yet somehow they are consistently voting in people who want to dismantle both.

Despite this consistently happening, I doubt you can name a single Republican politician who has run and been elected on this platform.
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