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Re: German government expands subsidies for electric cars

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Post by Tade0 »

benjaminsuch wrote: post #4
dna_polymerase wrote: post #2

> The German government and car industry have agreed to increase joint subsidies for the purchase of electric cars on the same day automobile giant Volkswagen began production of a new all-electric vehicle. The way that company fucks Germany over and over is truly remarkable. Paid no penalties for the whole Dieselgate in Germany, now after all that they let the taxpayer fund their infrastructure. I bet their solution…

What do you mean by "fucks over"? People want to reduce CO2, they want a greener Germany, a greener world and more importantly reach the climate agreement. Subsidizing electric cars is one step towards it.

Yes, but that could have been done in this form earlier, and not suspiciously close to VW's EVs' release date.

Re: German government expands subsidies for electric cars

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Post by dna_polymerase »

benjaminsuch wrote: post #4
dna_polymerase wrote: post #2

> The German government and car industry have agreed to increase joint subsidies for the purchase of electric cars on the same day automobile giant Volkswagen began production of a new all-electric vehicle. The way that company fucks Germany over and over is truly remarkable. Paid no penalties for the whole Dieselgate in Germany, now after all that they let the taxpayer fund their infrastructure. I bet their solution…

What do you mean by "fucks over"? People want to reduce CO2, they want a greener Germany, a greener world and more importantly reach the climate agreement. Subsidizing electric cars is one step towards it.

> People want to reduce CO2, they want a greener Germany, a greener world and more importantly reach the climate agreement. Subsidizing electric cars is one step towards it.

They could have done that for years, but it happens the day Volkswagen decides to finally build them.

Re: German government expands subsidies for electric cars

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Post by freeflight »

benjaminsuch wrote: post #4
dna_polymerase wrote: post #2

> The German government and car industry have agreed to increase joint subsidies for the purchase of electric cars on the same day automobile giant Volkswagen began production of a new all-electric vehicle. The way that company fucks Germany over and over is truly remarkable. Paid no penalties for the whole Dieselgate in Germany, now after all that they let the taxpayer fund their infrastructure. I bet their solution…

What do you mean by "fucks over"? People want to reduce CO2, they want a greener Germany, a greener world and more importantly reach the climate agreement. Subsidizing electric cars is one step towards it.

No disagreement there, but this should have happened over a decade ago.

Instead, we got DieselGate, not just one, but at this point, several of them [0] and the responsible parties, even government agencies who knew but tried to hide it, just shrug their shoulders and nothing changes.

Now they can celebrate themselves for putting EV on their agenda when everybody else is already miles ahead. Which is a common theme with German politics and any kind of tech innovation [1]

[0] https://www.rbb24.de/politik/beitrag/2019/10/abgase-dieselsk...

[1] https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/merkel-neuland-...

Re: German government expands subsidies for electric cars

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Post by gibolt »

It is pretty blatant that they are increasing it by 50% to support Volkswagen's conversion to electric.

Most of the other comments seem quite negative. It is protectionism, but it applies to most electric cars and is a step in the right direction. It is late and selfish, but better than the alternative.

Re: German government expands subsidies for electric cars

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Post by pgeorgi »

freeflight wrote: post #14
benjaminsuch wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean by "fucks over"? People want to reduce CO2, they want a greener Germany, a greener world and more importantly reach the climate agreement. Subsidizing electric cars is one step towards it.

No disagreement there, but this should have happened over a decade ago. Instead, we got DieselGate, not just one, but at this point, several of them [0] and the responsible parties, even government agencies who knew but tried to hide it, just shrug their shoulders and nothing changes. Now they can celebrate themselves for putting EV on their agenda when everybody else is already miles ahead. Which is a common theme w…

> German politics and any kind of tech innovation

I came to believe that German politics still associates "high tech" with the cog wheel: more cog wheels, more tech.

Since that doesn't apply to IT, it completely falls by the wayside. And since EVs have less of them than an ICE car, they're also lower tech than regular cars.

So far that's the only way I could make sense of it all.

Re: German government expands subsidies for electric cars

#17

Post by mcny »

Jamwinner wrote: post #8
aszantu wrote: post #3

:( They give u 4k on a 32k car, but they wont give it to a 4k car from china

That 4k chineese car is more of a burden than a gift. For once, I agree with the government subsidies.

I don't know anything about Germany but back in New York (the city), anything that has mass and occupies space is a burden. The rent is high and space is tight.

I didn't even own a desktop computer because I couldn't justify the space a dedicated computer space takes.

Thus, given the golf carts can't drive everywhere, you pretty much need a second car so I kind of agree with you. That being said, wasn't there some noise about free public transit? Maybe a small EV (not necessarily from China PR) is good enough in a pinch if the public transit is free of cost and reliable?

Re: German government expands subsidies for electric cars

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Post by lumberjack »

wil421 wrote: post #9
aszantu wrote: post #3

:( They give u 4k on a 32k car, but they wont give it to a 4k car from china

Are the Chinese EV golf carts I mean cars allowed in Germany? I thought their safety requirements were pretty tight. I can’t imagine some of them making it on the autobahn.

Cannot be more of a death trap than a Renault Twizzy which I see quite often around the city, or any motorcycle for that matter. As long as they don't market it as a normal car, I don't see why it shouldn't be allowed.

Re: German government expands subsidies for electric cars

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Post by freeflight »

pgeorgi wrote: post #16
freeflight wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No disagreement there, but this should have happened over a decade ago. Instead, we got DieselGate, not just one, but at this point, several of them [0] and the responsible parties, even government agencies who knew but tried to hide it, just shrug their shoulders and nothing changes. Now they can celebrate themselves for putting EV on their agenda when everybody else is already miles ahead. Which is a common theme w…

> German politics and any kind of tech innovation I came to believe that German politics still associates "high tech" with the cog wheel: more cog wheels, more tech. Since that doesn't apply to IT, it completely falls by the wayside. And since EVs have less of them than an ICE car, they're also lower tech than regular cars. So far that's the only way I could make sense of it all.

That would also explain the tendency to still bet on "rare metals" aka copper as a transmission medium for the Internet.
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