Aside from perhaps lack of developers / competency, I wonder why central banks don't issue digital currencies themselves? Mark Carney (current Bank of England governor) has been warming up to the idea - https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jun/20/mark-carney... Not sure if that because he is setting himself up for a new job at Libra after his BoE gig finishes in 2 months, or is there merit to the idea and appeti…
Facebook Libra Is Architecturally Unsound
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Re: Facebook Libra Is Architecturally Unsound
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
In general the answer for consumer protection is to use any escrow service. Multi-signature schemes can even prevent you from a bad escrow, as long as no two parties are colluding. In general the need for consumer protection mechanisms is of course already a failing of the justice system. Virtually every case where consumer protection is useful is covered by existing laws and shouldn't require anything from the payme…
> Virtually every case where consumer protection is useful is covered by existing laws and shouldn't require anything... ...except a lawyer, more money and a non-trivial part of your life.
I don’t know of any state that has ever tried to optimize for a low-overhead justice system “in the small” (e.g. many, more efficient, more convenient small-claims courts; or the introduction of another triage layer of “medium-claims” courts, where most all civil contractual disputes would land) which is an interesting fact all by itself. Speedy+cheap justice goes somewhat hand-in-hand with things like red-tape reduction, in that both are attempts to “oil the wheels” of the state apparatus—yet you’d never hear the same people (e.g. libertarians) espouse both.
Re: Facebook Libra Is Architecturally Unsound
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Virtually every case where consumer protection is useful is covered by existing laws and shouldn't require anything... ...except a lawyer, more money and a non-trivial part of your life.
Yes, that’s the failing. Ideally, justice should be cheaper in both time and monetary costs. I don’t know of any state that has ever tried to optimize for a low-overhead justice system “in the small” (e.g. many, more efficient, more convenient small-claims courts; or the introduction of another triage layer of “medium-claims” courts, where most all civil contractual disputes would land) which is an interesting fact a…
Re: Facebook Libra Is Architecturally Unsound
#54> Libra has no capacity for consumer protection mechanisms. You can replace Libra quote above with your favorite cryptocurrency and that pretty much sums up what I feel on the crypto space.
As a parent of children, consumer protections are overall a "good thing" to help prevent bad actors from doing harm. It goes for any space that can do harm to you or your family in any way.
It's why you have exchanges like Gemini in place that seek to be the "most regulated" crypto exchange - to instill trust in the service and market... and your investment.
That being said there is still a ways to go... it will be interesting to see if the market can solve some of these issues through natural growth and competition.
Re: Facebook Libra Is Architecturally Unsound
#55Typical blockchain and Libra hatchet job, except this time under the veneer of someone with software skills. I will make some counterpoints. > Byzantine fault tolerance is a fairly niche area of distributed systems research that concerns the ability of a networked system to endure arbitrary failures of its components while taking corrective actions critical to the system’s operation. Networks that are byzantine toler…
What other technical analyses of the Libra software are there? So far I've seen this and Elaine Ou - who I'm sure you would concede knows a thing or two about the space, even as she's a bitcoin maximalist - being shocked at how incomplete the code dump was: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-06-20/facebo...
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#56"The possibility that a Libra node run by Mastercard or Andressen Horrowitz would suddenly start running malicious code is such a bizarre scenario to plan for and is better solved by simply enforcing protocol integrity and through non-technical (i.e. legal) means."
It goes without saying that Libra isn't concerned about any sort of security event at Mastercard or a16z. The purpose here is simply to evade and arbitrage different regulatory regimes. The plan is to build a ledger that no single party (or coalition of parties in a single legal jurisdiction) has the capacity to edit or alter, and to make such alterations so technically challenging that it's beyond the capacity of any single court or legislature to do so. Once this chain is up and running, it becomes a "fact of nature" that courts and policymakers will simply have to deal with.
It's a brilliant strategy from that perspective. It's going to be alternately fascinating and horrifying to see if it works.
Re: Facebook Libra Is Architecturally Unsound
#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
As time goes on, it's increasingly looking likely that it won't be rolled out in Europe[0]. > "Libra is not welcome on European soil," French Economy Minister Bruno Le Maire told reporters the sidelines of the annual meetings of the World Bank and International Monetary Fund > "Do we want to put monetary policy in the hands of a private company like Facebook? My answer is clearly no," he said [0]: https://www.busines…
Worth noting however that Facebook could register some entity as a bank and operate the Libra service from there (even sharing offices with Fb, that's not illegal afaik). They would fall under all possible kinds and manners of banking regulation, but it's viable; many companies originally outside of the fin sector are offering financial services now (notably Orange, the French leading and historical ISP, formerly a s…
To me, it's increasingly looking like they're heading for Calibra as PayPal-but-it's-Facebook. This is a more sane and comprehensible business idea, at least.
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#58> Libra has no capacity for consumer protection mechanisms. You can replace Libra quote above with your favorite cryptocurrency and that pretty much sums up what I feel on the crypto space.
1. Inflation eats 2-4% of everyone's purchasing power each year, disproportionately affecting the poor. This inflation is desired by the central planners.
2. The American system of banking regulations introduces systemic risk into the financial sector.
Sure, if you can prove that your transaction was fraudulent, you can get a couple thousand bucks back into your savings account. But you'll have to gamble your money in the market to beat inflation just to break even. And then, every so often, the entire system will collapse and destroy trillions of dollars of wealth.
As an aside, you also get the bonus of having political control of banking relationships, so you can conveniently freeze and take the money of those who find the political winds aren't blowing their way.
Edit: PLEASE don't take this is an argument for Libra (sorry I wasn't clear), merely an argument for sound monetary policy and decentralization.
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#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
But if you are going to introduce a third-party anyway, why use crypto?
because even with a third party, it's still much cheaper, secure, and private.
But sure, other than all those things.
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#60> Not many people who work on financial infrastructure speak publicly about their work... This was a bit of a throw away line, but I found it insightful. As someone who isn't in this space, my question is: why is this? Is it contractual, or is that just not part of the space's ethos? Feels like we need to overcome this some how to achieve progress?
What pieces of financial infrastructure do you want to know about?
Mastercard and Visa (for example) publish a lot of information about their technology and standards, and certainly people aren't prohibited from talking about implementing them or interfacing with them.