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Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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I remember asking my manager to stop talking over me in a con-call. I was gone within a month

Were you fired or did you quit?

I had a 1:1 with the manager shortly after that meeting where we discussed me telling the manager to 'shut up'. I quickly made alternate arrangements before I got the boot.

Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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Only if all bosses are bad :).

My 3/4 bosses as intern were great. One guy was really incompetent, but he got me when the manager, who hired me, quit. So it’s almost ok. After graduation the quality of managers varied greatly. There was a guy with 20 yeas experience, who took my mentoring very seriously. He fired me when I started my own company. Good decision actually! A boss before him was a great narcissist, if I were smarter, I would be able t…

>There was a guy with 20 yeas experience, who took my mentoring very seriously. He fired me when I started my own company. Good decision actually!

That sounds like a truly great mentor.

Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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The definition of a "bad" boss is totally subjective and at the mercy of an individual's motivations at a given point in time.

Some bosses are bad in a sense that they conduct or behave themselves in ways that transgress laws, but they'd be a minority of those deemed "bad".

Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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Based only on anecdotal evidence (and yeah the plural of anecdote is not data) I'd sugges that figure wildy, wildly underestimated. I'm trying to think if I know /anyone/ over 35 who hasn't? Maybe, but I have to think quite hard.

I left my very first job out of college because of it. I think you're probably right.

I'm glad I got it out of the way early, I'm a few years into my next job now and loving it.

Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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If you enjoy your work then the next thing that's going to likely drive you from your job is a human factor and which human will you consistently have to interact with, your manager. And so it does in some way stand to reason. Also as a middle manager I can relate to some of the struggles. You will have potentially competing points of view from what your team would like to do and what the company wants them to do. Bu…

>Unfortunately very few of these may actually relate to management but at some point you reach that level of seniority and then the company says "here's a team, I'm sure you'll be fine" and leaves it at that very little training or coaching you just now have to learn on the job.

Thats my experience.

Being a manager of role x is not the same as being in role x.

Becoming a manager is a career change.

Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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> Few direct managers have the ability to give you a raise that a new employer would I'm usually very up-front with my reports on this. I make it very clear that I cannot compete with other companies on an immediate short-term compensation bump, so if they prioritize "money now" over everything else, then they should go out and interview. However in the four years that I was a manager at my previous company, nobody o…

>immediate short-term compensation bump Did you believe you could deliver better long term compensation? This phrasing suggests that, it's a clever way to suggest something without promising it.

> Did you believe you could deliver better long term compensation?

Usually, but not always. Of course it's impossible to predict 4+ years into the future, because so many factors can come into play on that time scale.

Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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Sure, but it takes two to tango. Humans are great in selective memories, post-facto rationalizing their own failings. Once you've been a manager you'll understand the other side of this.

I think good people try to take responsibility for themselves before blaming others. So, yeah.

But the manager has more power than subordinates, so it's not quite symmetric. -- I don't often hear of managers leaving because of bad subordinates.

Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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You might be interested in reading this: https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2011/10/14/the-gervais-principle-...

That is very long, what is the TLDR?

Companies make rules to bog down any proposal or idea that doesn't benefit the executives.
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