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U of Chicago projected to be the first U.S. university to cost $100k per year

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Post by wdr1 »

sorenn111 wrote: post #7

One thing I find crazy is the very same institutions that are generally very left leaning, decry income inequality, and espouse generally liberal views then turn around and having tuition costs that having been rising at rates so far above inflation. Student debt is a major issue in the US and the ever increasing costs of tuition are a MAJOR culprit in pushing this crisis. Where are these costs coming from? How can y…

> One thing I find crazy is the very same institutions that are generally very left leaning, decry income inequality, and espouse generally liberal views then turn around and having tuition costs that having been rising at rates so far above inflation.

It's weird you chose to make this comment on an article about the University of Chicago, the home of Milton Friedman, Supply-side economics, "no safe spaces"[1] and so on.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/answer-sheet/wp/2016/08/...

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Post by jklein11 »

aianus wrote: post #254
fzeroracer wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Teachers generate less value (see:income, GDP) than engineers. We should abolish teaching degrees and just teach software engineering at college.

We probably should. I bet it's easier to teach a STEM grad how to teach (in a professional training program after college) than to teach a professional 'teacher' how to do math.

What are you basing that on?

My sister is a 3rd-grade teacher and I'm not sure I would be equipped to handle 30 children without lots of training. Teaching someone how to teach 3rd-grade math is not that difficult. Teaching someone to start building positive learning habits with 8-9-year-olds sounds incredibly complicated.

I might be reading into your post too much but it seems like you think STEM grads are superior to non-stem grads. I don't buy that. STEM grads have a specialty that is in demand in the labor market. It doesn't make STEM grads better then non-STEM grads.

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Post by cambalache »

xienze wrote: post #372
arcticbull wrote: post #352

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Yes I paid $2500/semester (CAD) for my engineering degree in Canada. Living in the Bay Area has made me appreciate my people all the more.

> Living in the Bay Area has made me appreciate my people all the more. Not enough to still live there, apparently. Sounds like Canada is good in some respects but worse in others, like making good money in your chosen career. Every country has trade-offs, and the US’s is that a lot of safety nets aren’t there but the sky’s the limit for high achievers. Some people like it that way.

Yeah, the high achievers and connected. Fuck the rest.

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Post by sodosopa »

yowlingcat wrote: post #89
trgn wrote: post #75

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The 100k basket weaving liberal arts student barely exists and is a meme to generate rage clicks.

The 100k in debt grad student becoming an adjunct and needing food stamps not to die of starvation in poverty is a pretty stark reality. One would have to be tone-deaf to pretend it does not exist.

Pick a major which ensures your financial survival. Spending 100k on a degree which cannot ensure survival is a hell of a way to learn that lesson.

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Post by sodosopa »

mtbcoder wrote: post #167
trgn wrote: post #75

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The 100k basket weaving liberal arts student barely exists and is a meme to generate rage clicks.

Agreed, attacking degree programs is a red herring. Also, what kind of society would we be if the only subjects available to pursue were a select list of STEM programs?

> Also, what kind of society would we be if the only subjects available to pursue were a select list of STEM programs?

It's a sacrifice. I love art and music and spent many years pursuing both. I'm an old man now and many friends spent years seeking that out and unable to ensure their own survival years later.

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Post by to11mtm »

buboard wrote: post #315
misiti3780 wrote: post #71

As a US citizen, I see the US debt bomb ending it two different ways 1. Sanders/Warren get elected and somehow forgive 1.5 trillion in student loans and make education free going forward. 2. 2008 level crisis with (2) is the more probable I think universities tuition is way too expensive in our country, but I'm against (1) currently because I don't think retroactively forgiving debt is a good policy. The students too…

if (2) is possible, what's the difference if (1) happens? Someone will have to pay that debt eventually (the taxpayer).

Scenario (2) more likely indicates that before (1) happens, a number of colleges would have to go bust in rapid succession.

TBF my biggest problem with scenario 1 happening would be if scenario 2 DIDN'T happen first. Colleges have too long been promoting degrees that they knew students would never be able to pay off reasonably.

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Post by Consultant32452 »

wolco wrote: post #332
Consultant32452 wrote: post #300

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Sorry, you can't have it both ways. If it's not worth it because the universities are overrated then people won't go. The problem will solve itself.

Will it? Those who make it through will continue the narrative because lettings others know will reduce the value of their degree.

Why do you care what the narrative is? If you produce something of value the market will reward you.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

maxerickson wrote: post #419
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #401

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That approach is against site guidelines, and for good reason. If one nasty comment is grounds to engage in a flamewar, this place is going to lose any ability to have a reasoned conversation.

I mean, if you reply "Go fuck yourself" you are probably done with the thread, not planning engaging further with the asshole. Really, my point is that there is too much effort to engage assholerly as if it is actually reasoned conversation, when it is just assholery. Maybe we could go with the milder "This is ridiculous" as a reply or something.

Just downvote and flag. If it's genuinely negative behavior, the mods will usually deal with it.

If you're going to reply, it's better to give the uninformed reader some idea why it's ridiculous, rather than just the bare claim that it is. But hey, I just told someone that their post was "paranoid drivel", so I'm maybe not the best one to talk...

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Post by holografix »

WhompingWindows wrote: post #77

UChicago 2011 graduate here. When I attended, I paid about $20k/year in tuition, given that I had various merit scholarships, worked for the university, and that my siblings also attended school. My parents were in for a RUDE awakening in my fourth year, however, when my brother graduated his undergraduate program...UChicago found out via a survey, that I was now the sole college attendee, and without warning they ja…

No, you guys need to quit the platitudes.

You need to do something about your “fixed” meritocratic society where your future is largely determined by your parents’ wealth.

You need tax reform, healthcare, cheaper education. I had a discussion with an American friend recently, he offered that the American society has produced marvels such as Google and Facebook and Tesla and countless others, fair point.

Can you imagine a new social media today competing with Facebook? A new search engine? Wanna open a retail online store? AWS will eat you alive.

I grew up thinking America was the greatest country on earth, truly. You know who also had some absolutely amazing achievements? The Egyptian pharaohs.

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Post by arcticbull »

fouc wrote: post #364
arcticbull wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I paid $2500/semester (CAD) for my engineering degree in Canada. Living in the Bay Area has made me appreciate my people all the more.

20 years ago right?

Nah, graduated in 2010. My brother paid the same amount, graduated last year.

Current-year tuition fees at Carleton range from $3500CAD/semester to $5800CAD/semester [1] for domestic students. The province foots the bill for over half, probably closer to three quarters based on the international student fees. It's gone up a little but it's hardly un-manageable. Both my brother and I graduated without debt by working during the summers, and both scholarships and bursaries are available to help cover the costs -- and loans via OSAP [2].

FWIW I did mean to type $3500 in my original post, which is probably now closer to $5000.

[1] https://admissions.carleton.ca/scholarships/domestic-costs/

[2] https://www.ontario.ca/page/osap-ontario-student-assistance-...

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