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Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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post #15

That's cool because it means you can actually do that if your manager is bad. In some countries there are no jobs so all you can do about having a bad manager is... nothing.

That is true in the US for a lot of people, and it was especially true during the recession. The fact that we've been in a situation where most skilled workers can easily job hop for that last 5 or so years is an aberration, not the norm! And frankly, we should probably take advantage of the situation while we still can.

Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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post #17

I quit my job because of my manager. There was a policy of instilling fear to gain control. There was also a push to reduce remote work in the company despite the said remote teams performing well. I quit because the manager was incompetent, but also because the policy was one of instilling fear into employees.

How did they instill fear?

Salami tactics.

- Reduce flexibility over time

- Every expense needs to be justified a hundred times

- delaying approval of vacation days to the point that you take a vacation, and it is still not approved

- Adding unnecessary process where none is required

- Adding compromised people to the team (limited contract, needs the job desperately, needs a raise for kid's education etc)

- Strict butts-on-seats policy

- Constantly saying that we are going to remove technology , where is what you are hired for. Company will still need for the foreseeable future.

And there are more, but I don't want to re-live dark moments. I hope no one actually tries to implement this stuff, because it shows that your manager is a control-freak, and you need to run for the hills.

Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did they instill fear?

Salami tactics. - Reduce flexibility over time - Every expense needs to be justified a hundred times - delaying approval of vacation days to the point that you take a vacation, and it is still not approved - Adding unnecessary process where none is required - Adding compromised people to the team (limited contract, needs the job desperately, needs a raise for kid's education etc) - Strict butts-on-seats policy - Cons…

You might be interested in reading this:

https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2011/10/14/the-gervais-principle-...

Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a nice meme from LinkedIn but I'm sure there a few other reasons including a better paycheck, flexibility, or even benefits.

> paycheck, flexibility, or even benefits At many, many companies, your manager directly decides or at least influences all three of these, so if you quit due to them, you're also quitting because of your manager.

Few direct managers have the ability to give you a raise that a new employer would, in cases where you're being underpaid relative to the market.

They also rarely have much influence over work flexibility or benefits.

Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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If you enjoy your work then the next thing that's going to likely drive you from your job is a human factor and which human will you consistently have to interact with, your manager. And so it does in some way stand to reason.

Also as a middle manager I can relate to some of the struggles. You will have potentially competing points of view from what your team would like to do and what the company wants them to do.

But also as an additional point of view. As a manager you may have worked your way up the hierarchy learning your craft and honing your skills. Unfortunately very few of these may actually relate to management but at some point you reach that level of seniority and then the company says "here's a team, I'm sure you'll be fine" and leaves it at that very little training or coaching you just now have to learn on the job. Unfortunately unwinding mistakes at a managerial level is very difficult because it invariably had that human component and sometimes we struggle to forgive and forget.

Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Salami tactics. - Reduce flexibility over time - Every expense needs to be justified a hundred times - delaying approval of vacation days to the point that you take a vacation, and it is still not approved - Adding unnecessary process where none is required - Adding compromised people to the team (limited contract, needs the job desperately, needs a raise for kid's education etc) - Strict butts-on-seats policy - Cons…

You might be interested in reading this: https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2011/10/14/the-gervais-principle-...

That is very long, what is the TLDR?

Re: Half of us have quit our job because of a bad boss (2015)

#30
post #15

That's cool because it means you can actually do that if your manager is bad. In some countries there are no jobs so all you can do about having a bad manager is... nothing.

Also some jobs makes it very costly to quit.

Like if you have tenure at a University or are in public union.

Seems to me those jobs also often have really bad personal chemistry.

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