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A new book on cannibalism in the 1921 Russian famine

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Re: A new book on cannibalism in the 1921 Russian famine

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I have a hard time taking this seriously when whoever wrote the abstract doesn't seem to be aware that the Soviet Union was founded in December 1922. Basic historical errors in the abstract make the paywall less appealing, and it's unfortunate if a lot of work went into the actual article.

Soviet state was established in Russia 1917. In 1922 USSR was formed from several soviet states, including Russian Soviet Republic.

Re: A new book on cannibalism in the 1921 Russian famine

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post #11

I have a hard time taking this seriously when whoever wrote the abstract doesn't seem to be aware that the Soviet Union was founded in December 1922. Basic historical errors in the abstract make the paywall less appealing, and it's unfortunate if a lot of work went into the actual article.

Soviet state was established in Russia 1917. In 1922 USSR was formed from several soviet states, including Russian Soviet Republic.

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Re: A new book on cannibalism in the 1921 Russian famine

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post #10

I have a hard time taking this seriously when whoever wrote the abstract doesn't seem to be aware that the Soviet Union was founded in December 1922. Basic historical errors in the abstract make the paywall less appealing, and it's unfortunate if a lot of work went into the actual article.

I don’t remember the author talking about the soviet union existing before 1922, he does talks about soviets (assemblies).

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Re: A new book on cannibalism in the 1921 Russian famine

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"Hungry Ghosts: Mao's Secret Famine" is a related book, which covers this phenomenon in 1950s China.

It's not a pleasant topic. Some people ate their children to survive. It's interesting though how very well meaning utopian policies can lead to this result. Planting the seed 5 ft beneath the ground will result in great crops because the seed will have to struggle and thus only the best seed will make it to harvest. And of course all that seed buried that far down didn't make it at all. But that is your fault, traitor, not infallible Great Leader's.

Re: A new book on cannibalism in the 1921 Russian famine

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post #11

I have a hard time taking this seriously when whoever wrote the abstract doesn't seem to be aware that the Soviet Union was founded in December 1922. Basic historical errors in the abstract make the paywall less appealing, and it's unfortunate if a lot of work went into the actual article.

Soviet state was established in Russia 1917. In 1922 USSR was formed from several soviet states, including Russian Soviet Republic.

The article's abstract mentions the Soviet Union explicitly:

> In 1921, the Lenin-led Soviet Union faced one of the worst famines in history. A new book details its horrors and the American effort to combat cannibalism

Re: A new book on cannibalism in the 1921 Russian famine

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I think the main point of the story should be the famine rather than the supposed cases of cannibalism. I don't think it's that unheard of for people to resort to eating human flesh (usually already dead) when starving. And we're talking about millions of people starving to death. I'd be shocked if there were no cases of cannibalism.

Of course it does make for a pretty sensational title and probably better book sales.

Re: A new book on cannibalism in the 1921 Russian famine

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post #10

I have a hard time taking this seriously when whoever wrote the abstract doesn't seem to be aware that the Soviet Union was founded in December 1922. Basic historical errors in the abstract make the paywall less appealing, and it's unfortunate if a lot of work went into the actual article.

I don’t remember the author talking about the soviet union existing before 1922, he does talks about soviets (assemblies).

The error is in the abstract, but it made me lose interest in the rest of the article.

Re: A new book on cannibalism in the 1921 Russian famine

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That is the state policy of forced buying at fixed price which on practice basically was outright confiscation of food from peasants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prodrazvyorstka#Soviet_prodraz...

Beside everything else (like massive loss of work capable men and horses (there were no tractors back then) due to WWI and the Civil War), the important point here is that usually everything was taken away, including that grain, potatoes, etc. that would otherwise be used as seeds next year. Not having anything to plant next year naturally amplified the situation into such a severe famine. In general dominance of such short-term approaches were the hallmark of USSR through all its existence.

Another situation of famine and related cannibalism - 2 and half year siege of Leningrad during WWII by Germans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Leningrad#Cannibalism

and some stats :

"By December 1942 the NKVD had arrested 2,105 cannibals – dividing them into two legal categories: corpse-eating (trupoyedstvo) and person-eating (lyudoyedstvo). The latter were usually shot while the former were sent to prison. The Soviet Criminal Code had no provision for cannibalism, so all convictions were carried out under Code Article 59–3, "special category banditry".[72] Instances of person-eating were significantly lower than that of corpse-eating; of the 300 people arrested in April 1942 for cannibalism, only 44 were murderers.[73] 64% of cannibals were female, 44% were unemployed, 90% were illiterate, 15% were rooted inhabitants, and only 2% had any criminal records. More cases occurred in the outlying districts than in the city itself. Cannibals were often unsupported women with dependent children and no previous convictions, which allowed for a certain level of clemency in legal proceedings.[74]

Given the scope of mass starvation, cannibalism was relatively rare.[75] Far more common was murder for ration cards. In the first six months of 1942, Leningrad witnessed 1,216 such murders. At the same time, Leningrad was experiencing its highest mortality rate, as high as 100,000 people per month. Lisa Kirschenbaum notes that rates "of cannibalism provided an opportunity for emphasizing that the majority of Leningraders managed to maintain their cultural norms in the most unimaginable circumstances."[75] "

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