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Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by lostintangent »

joecot wrote: post #70
lostintangent wrote: post #6

Hey All! I’m a PM on the Visual Studio Online team (as well as Live Share and IntelliCode), and we’re extremely excited to have more developers try out the product. Our goal is to dramatically reduce the cost of setup/onboarding, enable better team/classroom collaboration, and further support remote development. We believe that having on-demand, cloud-powered dev environments, that are accessible from VS Code and the…

Is there documentation somewhere for the self-hosted environment option, which according to the product landing page and pricing page is no cost? I'm guessing the flow there is to use VSCode through the online site, but give ssh credentials to one of your servers that's running the Remote SSH VSCode environment. But once I go to Create an Environment, there's no option for a self-hosted one.

Yep! Check out this doc and let us know if you have any questions/feedback: https://aka.ms/vso-docs/vscode/self-hosted.

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by gmaster1440 »

lostintangent wrote: post #6

Hey All! I’m a PM on the Visual Studio Online team (as well as Live Share and IntelliCode), and we’re extremely excited to have more developers try out the product. Our goal is to dramatically reduce the cost of setup/onboarding, enable better team/classroom collaboration, and further support remote development. We believe that having on-demand, cloud-powered dev environments, that are accessible from VS Code and the…

Looks like the default VS Online dotnet sdk is set to LTS[1] which breaks my ASP.NET Core 3.0 project in an interesting way. The initial startup Oryx build succeeds[2] but the Omnisharp dotnet restore command fails[3].

[1] In ~/.bashrc: PATH=$PATH:/opt/oryx:/opt/nodejs/lts/bin:/opt/dotnet/sdks/lts

[2] ``` Source directory : /home/vsonline/workspace

Using .NET Core SDK Version: 3.0.100

Restoring packages...

Welcome to .NET Core 3.0! ```

[3] ``` /opt/dotnet/sdks/2.1.802/sdk/2.1.802/Sdks/Microsoft.NET.Sdk/targets/Microsoft.NET.TargetFrameworkInference.targets(137,5): error NETSDK1045: The current .NET SDK does not support targeting .NET Core 3.0. Either target .NET Core 2.1 or lower, or use a version of the .NET SDK that supports .NET Core 3.0 ```

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by ebg13 »

lostintangent wrote: post #6

Hey All! I’m a PM on the Visual Studio Online team (as well as Live Share and IntelliCode), and we’re extremely excited to have more developers try out the product. Our goal is to dramatically reduce the cost of setup/onboarding, enable better team/classroom collaboration, and further support remote development. We believe that having on-demand, cloud-powered dev environments, that are accessible from VS Code and the…

> the Visual Studio Online team...VS Code...

So this is NOT Visual Studio but rather VSCode? Do you have insight into why Microsoft keeps making misleading product names? Would it be so horrible to name it VSCode Online instead of Visual Studio Online?

> Let us know if you have any questions

The website says "Use the programming languages and frameworks of your choice". Will that include building and debugging C++ Win32 MFC applications?

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by ChrisLTD »

lostintangent wrote: post #63
amq wrote: post #16

I'm missing two things: - docker-compose support - ability to run multiple services from different repos

Thanks for the feedback! Docker Compose support is on our roadmap, and you can track progress of it here: https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/vsonline/issues/35 . If you could upvote that issue, that would be much appreciated!

Upvoted. With docker compose support, I'd definitely move away from the increasingly crusty Cloud9 service from AWS.

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by joecot »

lostintangent wrote: post #71
joecot wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there documentation somewhere for the self-hosted environment option, which according to the product landing page and pricing page is no cost? I'm guessing the flow there is to use VSCode through the online site, but give ssh credentials to one of your servers that's running the Remote SSH VSCode environment. But once I go to Create an Environment, there's no option for a self-hosted one.

Yep! Check out this doc and let us know if you have any questions/feedback: https://aka.ms/vso-docs/vscode/self-hosted .

Gotcha. I'll admit since there weren't any instructions on doing it in the online admin, and in the docs it's not listed as a subpoint, I got disheartened when I reached the docs and missed it being underneath the instructions for Cloud-hosted. I wouldn't have expected a backwards flow for the self-hosted option, but that's doable. It might be more user friendly for the article to have the headings "Create an environment (Cloud-hosted)" and "Create an environment (Self-hosted)" in the "In this article" menu on the side, or for the "Create an Environment" section to tree both on that side-menu, so it's not missed.

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by wayneftw »

lostintangent wrote: post #69
msoad wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why this doesn't work with Github login? Why all this Azure/Microsoft login is required? This could be an immediate hit if I could click on a button in Github to open that repo in it with the environment all setup.

Thanks for the feedback! We definitely want to make onboarding to a GitHub repo as simple as possible. This is something we’ll be looking to gather feedback on from the community, so stay tuned as we iterate rapidly in the coming months.

I would like to add my voice to this issue.

I never had anything but problems with my Microsoft and Azure accounts because of confusing UX. If I have to deal with live.microsoft.com I won’t use it. But, if you let me login with GitHub I might try it out. I don’t want to link my GitHub account. I want that to be the primary account used to access VS Live.

I’m guessing that won’t happen though since you’ll want everyone to be ready to use Azure.

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by Const-me »

lostintangent wrote: post #58
Const-me wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let us know if you have any questions/comments/feedback OK. What you wrote on that web site, "run, and debug your applications from any device", reads like a false advertisement. I do CAD/CAM/CAE, for that I need a physical GPU. I do embedded, for that I need custom physical hardware, running specific build of Linux. I do multimedia, for that I need a physical GPU with all their hardware codecs. I do GPGPU, same th…

That’s totally fair. Over time, our goal is to expand the platforms and application types we support (we’re currently focused on web/APIs), because we believe value props remain the same, regardless if you’re doing desktop, mobile, data science, etc. That said, we can definitely make sure to be clearer about where we’re at in our journey towards enabling this promise more broadly. Apologies for the confusion! In the…

> allow registering your own machines with the service

Hmm, for embedded that would be ARM Linux. Even if you'll support the platform, would be slow.

> I’d love to hear if this would be helpful for you and your specific workloads.

Probably not. I don't like latency, you probably don't have an Azure DC in or near western Balkans.

Even ignoring latency, I don't like clouds in general. Unreliable, often overpriced, aggressive marketing.

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by alephnan »

A solid browser based IDE would pare well with Azure or some other cloud provider. Specifically, “serverless” products where devs can focus on code, disregarding environment issues. AWS acquired Cloud9. Google Cloud Function has an in-browser code editor for inline editing, but it’s not aware of any language constructs beyond syntax highlighting.

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by gameswithgo »

ebg13 wrote: post #73
lostintangent wrote: post #6

Hey All! I’m a PM on the Visual Studio Online team (as well as Live Share and IntelliCode), and we’re extremely excited to have more developers try out the product. Our goal is to dramatically reduce the cost of setup/onboarding, enable better team/classroom collaboration, and further support remote development. We believe that having on-demand, cloud-powered dev environments, that are accessible from VS Code and the…

> the Visual Studio Online team...VS Code... So this is NOT Visual Studio but rather VSCode? Do you have insight into why Microsoft keeps making misleading product names? Would it be so horrible to name it VSCode Online instead of Visual Studio Online? > Let us know if you have any questions The website says "Use the programming languages and frameworks of your choice". Will that include building and debugging C++ Wi…

This is from the company that came up with .NET to describe an intermediate bytecode and runtime.

Then later made a new thing called .NET Core which was the same as .NET Framework but more multi platform. Which was confusing so they came up with .NET Standard which was an interface describing compatibility between the other two .NETs

They have their top people working on the .NET jit and compiler, and the VS Code editor. None left for naming conventions.

Re: Visual Studio online available for public preview

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Post by voxic11 »

gameswithgo wrote: post #79
ebg13 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the Visual Studio Online team...VS Code... So this is NOT Visual Studio but rather VSCode? Do you have insight into why Microsoft keeps making misleading product names? Would it be so horrible to name it VSCode Online instead of Visual Studio Online? > Let us know if you have any questions The website says "Use the programming languages and frameworks of your choice". Will that include building and debugging C++ Wi…

This is from the company that came up with .NET to describe an intermediate bytecode and runtime. Then later made a new thing called .NET Core which was the same as .NET Framework but more multi platform. Which was confusing so they came up with .NET Standard which was an interface describing compatibility between the other two .NETs They have their top people working on the .NET jit and compiler, and the VS Code edi…

And that is all before you get to the frameworks. The latest "ASP" framework is called "ASP.NET Core" which succeeded "ASP.NET 4" and confusingly is available for both ".NET Framework" and ".NET Core".
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