Well, that's a "goodbye gitlab" for me.
Alternatives to gitlab: https://gogs.io/ https://gitea.io/en-us/ https://www.atlassian.com/software/bitbucket/download https://gitbucket.github.io/ https://kallithea-scm.org/
Gitlab considers not hiring SREs and Support Engineers in China and Russia
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#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Could be a group doing humanitarian or journalistic work They speak about revenue, so I'm sure that's not the case. I bet it's a commercial company with sensitive data, probably gov/mil contractor with strict obligations to their customer. And someone at their management doesn't understand Intelligence 101: they don't reach for your data from the country of origin.
If I understood it correctly, this should be a nationality block, not country-of-residence.
This would be even more ridiculous.
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#233This is a great move by Gitlab. I'd love to see more companies going in a similar direction.
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#234I am Chinese living in China. Nationalism is on the rise lately in China, not just for domestic reasons, but also as an reaction to nationalistic moves from "the West" like this one. It's a recurring theme, not just in governmental propaganda, but also in daily conversations, that "the West" would talk about fairness and justice then commit blatant discrimination and double standards. As a founder of a tech company b…
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#235I am Chinese living in China. Nationalism is on the rise lately in China, not just for domestic reasons, but also as an reaction to nationalistic moves from "the West" like this one. It's a recurring theme, not just in governmental propaganda, but also in daily conversations, that "the West" would talk about fairness and justice then commit blatant discrimination and double standards. As a founder of a tech company b…
Those people are completely brainwashed https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/issues/5555#not...
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#236I'm shocked (in a positive way) about the amount of transparency Gitlab provides. Even as a reader, it almost feels as if someone misconfigured the ACLs or I'm reading leaked internal documents, not an intentional decision to make this open. Some of the discussions seem highly sensitive, and yet it seems to work for them. Thank you, Gitlab, for being so open! I've learned a lot about compliance from just reading this…
From the website:
> forbidden from … Agreements to discriminate or actual discrimination against other persons based on race, religion, sex, national origin or nationality.
So, to be clear - GitLab can merrily discriminate against Chinese citizens of the US on national origin by themselves, but are breaking the law if they do the same under a joint venture with a non-US entity.
Bonkers.
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#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
> discriminating based on notational origin is a big no no from an ethical perspective However, discriminating based on exposure to coercive pressure from aggressive and hostile foreign powers is probably OK, even if such exposure is heavily correlated with national origin. The key is that the discrimination must be based on an individual analysis of the applicant and his/her life circumstances. It's not OK to blanke…
I disagree completely. By that reasoning, a presidential candidate of Chinese descent who was a natural born American citizen but had relatives back in china would be disqualified, and that is nowhere justified by the constitution. A private company likewise shouldn’t be able to discriminate on speculative threats alone. What if they had a relative in prison, a hostile coercive environment by any measure? I accept th…
Here's a very clear restriction you're faced with: You could never become a Chinese citizen. Why must be pretend that it's ok for this to be entirely one-sided? We should give what we get, imo.
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#238Earlier quoted context omitted.
I also learned a lot and some of the employees made great points. I’m wondering, can the US government legally issue a National Security Letter to an individual employee that forces them to comply and spy for them? If they can, does this also mean the employee has no legal recourse since NSLs must be kept secret?
> If they can, does this also mean the employee has no legal recourse since NSLs must be kept secret? No, because that would be unconstitutional. But the proceedings of objecting to a NSL similarly must be kept secret. There wouldn't be any point to the secret component of a NSL if the recipient could object and hash out the merits of the request in public court records.
So how would anyone ever know that the objection was 1) heard, and 2) upheld?
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#239I am Chinese living in China. Nationalism is on the rise lately in China, not just for domestic reasons, but also as an reaction to nationalistic moves from "the West" like this one. It's a recurring theme, not just in governmental propaganda, but also in daily conversations, that "the West" would talk about fairness and justice then commit blatant discrimination and double standards. As a founder of a tech company b…
How are those actual death camps going? How's that credit system going?
China is a techno authoritarian dystopia, regardless of what the compass tells you.
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#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
Since National Security Letters exist, blocking all employees from the US would also be logical. Same for running anything on third-party hardware. There needs to be a more effective response than Hari Kiri.
It's the same in France, and many other western countries. I think it's just the usual "Australians not realizing they live in a bubble", and kindly warning the rest of the world about laws or practices that have already been in place in our countries for twenty years.
That is not true. There is no such law in Germany, and the public backlash against it would be enormous. In the east we had a government that would pressure citizens to spy on each other -- any hint of that would be political suicide on all levels...