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Re: Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV, and Apple TV+

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Post by brassattax »

Pxtl wrote: post #59
sk5t wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft has gone through some pretty dark times w.r.t. naming stuff. Up there with "Windows" everything and absurdities like ".net Passport" was their unslakable thirst for "Active." ActiveX, Active Server Pages, Active Data Objects. However, none of it holds a candle to IBM's mania for making everything "Websphere."

Dark times are still happening. Right now they're renaming everything Azure regardless of whether it's part of their cloud offerings. Also, Live was another Microsoft naming phase. For me, the canary in the coal mine of ms naming is their messenger. Msn messenger, live messenger, Skype, Skype for business, Teams... I assume the next iteration will be named Azure Teams.

Actually Skype for Business was called Lync and before that Office Communicator. And has nothing at all to do with Skype, or any of their other messaging products!

But yes, dark times indeed.

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Post by mackrevinack »

sk5t wrote: post #44
andrewstuart wrote: post #21

Remember when .NET came out? Everything was .NET. As a result, no-one really had any idea what .NET actually was. Eventually we figured out it was "Microsoft's Java". Windows also went through a phase in which seemingly everything was Windows.

Microsoft has gone through some pretty dark times w.r.t. naming stuff. Up there with "Windows" everything and absurdities like ".net Passport" was their unslakable thirst for "Active." ActiveX, Active Server Pages, Active Data Objects. However, none of it holds a candle to IBM's mania for making everything "Websphere."

naming things definitely isn't there strong point

having to click the "start" button to shut down your computer is probably the most illogical one. and somehow it managed to stay that way for 15 years until someone got the bright idea to just but an icon there instead

"microsoft windows phone 7 series" was a mouth full compared to "apple iphone". luckily they changed that soon after but its crazy to think of the amount of people that were involved in that project and none of them spoke up about how stupid the name sounded

a recent one is the app "your phone". it just doesn't sound right. i imagine it would be even more awkward when someone has to search the term. "hey google, my your phone isnt working"

windows security centre changes its name every year. I could go on

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Post by akandiah »

me551ah wrote: post #102
andrewstuart wrote: post #21

Remember when .NET came out? Everything was .NET. As a result, no-one really had any idea what .NET actually was. Eventually we figured out it was "Microsoft's Java". Windows also went through a phase in which seemingly everything was Windows.

Actually, Microsoft's Java existed. Microsoft built their own JVM ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Java_Virtual_Machine ) and Java was supported as a language in Visual Studio in the past. It was the fastest Windows-based implementation of a Java virtual machine when it came out. But Microsoft being itself added some custom features on top of JVM ( like IE ) and Sun sued them. In retaliation, Microsoft remov…

They even had a version of Java for .Net called J# (J-Sharp). That didn't last long.

Re: Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV, and Apple TV+

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Post by kkarakk »

tolmasky wrote: post #103
jc__denton wrote: post #88

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Additional app storage and the ability to store/download media in apps that support it.

From my (admittedly now hazy) understanding, everything in Apple TV land is supposed to be purgeable. So nothing should stop working on a 32 GB Apple TV unless it for whatever reason needs 64 GB of data on disk. This will of course mean that the 64 GB model is faster in caching scenarios, but it’s IMO an unnecessarily complex decision for an already expensive product in the space ($179 for 32GB!)

It's for games, apple tv supports a lot of games that are modified for the large form factor and can get quite large(like crossy road)

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Post by kkarakk »

sxcurry wrote: post #120
snarkypixel wrote: post #42

Here's my take on it: I bought an Apple TV and It Just Works. Movies, subtitle, adding a few key apps like Netflix and Youtube. It's the same name because it's the same whole experience.

Exactly. Now I feel a bit bad because I'm not confused at all - it just all works.

It all works juuuuust until it doesn't and you have to upgrade to the next tier. I assume the experience will be like the one i had with netflix, where once i had a 4k tv i realized i HAD to upgrade my account and internet bandwidth coz otherwise stuff would look blurry and buffer(for kids who can't tell why stuff doesn't look as good as on the neighbors device)

Obviously not a problem for people who can just buy all the extras but if you're budgeting then it does get quite nasty and lead you to the media server route

Re: Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV, and Apple TV+

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Post by kkarakk »

chooseaname wrote: post #17
shadowmore wrote: post #2

Sounds about par for the course for post-Jobs Apple.

It's been 8 years. People can't honestly still be holding on to this, can they?

Bill gates retired 19 years ago(2000s) and his name is still synonymous with windows due to choices he made.

People still ask Wozniak about his opinions on devices(iphones etc) that he had absolutely no input on and they do tinge people's perceptions of those devices

Jobs penchant for secrecy persists to this day at Apple, the personalities of the people who were in charge/first affect organizations more than you'd think

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Post by 2rsf »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #140
js2 wrote: post #101

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The awful remote is tolerable with one of these cases: https://www.amazon.com/Fintie-Protective-Case-Apple-Remote/d...

I'm not sure it solves the main problem which is scrolling on the remote is almost unusable. They would have been better sticking with the remote that came with the early versions.

what do you mean by scrolling being unusable ? it's not a mouse wheel with steady scroll rate but something similar to flicking a finger.

It's not great for long lists but it's far from being terrible, also part of the problem lies on the UI design for example having too long lists

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Post by arethuza »

randomstring wrote: post #82

What? No mention of the Apple TV remote, the Apple TV Siri remote, the Apple TV remote app, or the iOS Apple TV remote app shortcut feature on iOS? The physical Apple remotes are so terrible, I've stopped using Apple TV (all of them). The Apple remote app is better, but is useless for when you need to hit pause, as your phone has gone to sleep.

The more recent Apple TV remote with the touch pad rather than the scroll wheel is probably the best remote I've ever used - only problem I've had with it is as it is so small it is easy to lose.
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