I'm never one to jump on the new product bandwagon. I think I'll wait until the Apple TV++ comes out. Plus, it'll probably be object-oriented.
++ is no longer allowed in Swift. It has to be Apple TV+=1
Applet TV-=-1
Apple TV, Apple TV, Apple TV, and Apple TV+
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#62Next up is Apple TVX. "It's called 'tee-five-ten'. Yes, that's what it's called. Say it that way. Because we said so."
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft has gone through some pretty dark times w.r.t. naming stuff. Up there with "Windows" everything and absurdities like ".net Passport" was their unslakable thirst for "Active." ActiveX, Active Server Pages, Active Data Objects. However, none of it holds a candle to IBM's mania for making everything "Websphere."
Dark times are still happening. Right now they're renaming everything Azure regardless of whether it's part of their cloud offerings. Also, Live was another Microsoft naming phase. For me, the canary in the coal mine of ms naming is their messenger. Msn messenger, live messenger, Skype, Skype for business, Teams... I assume the next iteration will be named Azure Teams.
I give you msn and live messenger.
All the other ones are literally different products each. I expect different products to have different names.
Why there were so many messenger products is a different question. Anyone from Google wanna jump in and explain this one? ;)
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#64Naming is hard ️
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#65"There are only two hard problems in Computer Science: cache invalidation and naming things." (Phil Karlton) Amusing that along with this, there are two articles about caches on the front page of HN right now.
This isn't really a naming problem, though, although the naming is poor. Better naming or more clarity isn't going to fix the fundamental problem - Apple TV doesn't deliver on the promise of an (idealized) Apple product/service.
A good Apple product may in some ways be more constrained than similar products but is easy to understand and use and 'just works'. For instance, you bought an iPod and you plugged it into your Mac which popped up a store where you could buy music. You didn't have to know what an 'mp3' is. Or you bought an iPhone, took it home, plugged into your computer and 3 minutes later had a working new phone/pocket web browser. You didn't have to listen to anyone telling you about extended warranty and the web browser actually worked.
Buying an Apple TV or subscribing to the service doesn't solve any of the endless irritations and inconveniences associated with consuming TV or movies online. It just names them all Apple TV but if they fixed that, the irritations and inconveniences would still be there.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft has gone through some pretty dark times w.r.t. naming stuff. Up there with "Windows" everything and absurdities like ".net Passport" was their unslakable thirst for "Active." ActiveX, Active Server Pages, Active Data Objects. However, none of it holds a candle to IBM's mania for making everything "Websphere."
Dark times are still happening. Right now they're renaming everything Azure regardless of whether it's part of their cloud offerings. Also, Live was another Microsoft naming phase. For me, the canary in the coal mine of ms naming is their messenger. Msn messenger, live messenger, Skype, Skype for business, Teams... I assume the next iteration will be named Azure Teams.
Followed by Azure Teams for Office 365.
The messenger naming example is also apropos because each successive generation of bad naming is also a generation of product that is measurably worse in some way. It goes to demonstrate the durability of software canaries!
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#67WWDC 2020: "We're excited to announce Apple TVs+"
Followed by the Apple TV SE+
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#68One thing to note (not that it necessarily clears things up all that much):
In the March 2019 Apple TV+ announcement event, Apple renamed the non-4K Apple TV hardware from "Apple TV" to "Apple TV HD".
So the hardware options are now "Apple TV HD" and "Apple TV 4K".
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#69Remember when .NET came out? Everything was .NET. As a result, no-one really had any idea what .NET actually was. Eventually we figured out it was "Microsoft's Java". Windows also went through a phase in which seemingly everything was Windows.
That's not even the best example. .NET Core vs. .NET Standard was a wtf?
I never found it confusing, but I also remember the hell of PCL’s so .Net Standard was a breath of sanity.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft has gone through some pretty dark times w.r.t. naming stuff. Up there with "Windows" everything and absurdities like ".net Passport" was their unslakable thirst for "Active." ActiveX, Active Server Pages, Active Data Objects. However, none of it holds a candle to IBM's mania for making everything "Websphere."
Or Watson
For sure, although whereas the Websphere-ing of the product line seemed like a plausible effort at consistent branding, Watson feels more like a cynical measure to appear relevant, but nobody's buying it.
On the "active" bandwagon, I forgot to mention Active Directory, which is kind of funny given that I spent the better part of a decade specializing in development and projects largely oriented around AD and ADFS, and which is maybe the only Active-branded thing still going strong.