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Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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I am also a bereaved parent, although my child died at age 25. I utterly agree about the grave mental health issues being caused in the parents. May peace be unto you. (Ping me if you want info about an organization called "The Compassionate Friends" specifically for bereaved parents.)

FYI, Hacker News doesn’t have a DM feature.

Keybase (linked in their profile) is a messaging service too.

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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I had a baby that died. It was an excruciating experience and nobody around us knew what to do or say. From personal experience I can say it should be treated as a grave mental health issue and companies should be forced to provide a great deal of leave to both parents. Whether leave is paid or unpaid, this should be treated in the same way as any disability or health related leave. IMHO it would be cheap for compani…

I had a coworker who went through this. My bosses were very gracious. She was on leave for some time, purely for mental health reasons. And I’m sure returning to work with her job intact was a major comfort. Our direct boss at the time would meet with her for lunch occasionally until she felt well enough to come back. I’m willing to bet it was the best way it could have gone for her in light of what she experienced.…

What a tremendous display of empathy and leadership to visit your grieving employee.

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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I had a baby that died. It was an excruciating experience and nobody around us knew what to do or say. From personal experience I can say it should be treated as a grave mental health issue and companies should be forced to provide a great deal of leave to both parents. Whether leave is paid or unpaid, this should be treated in the same way as any disability or health related leave. IMHO it would be cheap for compani…

I had a coworker who went through this. My bosses were very gracious. She was on leave for some time, purely for mental health reasons. And I’m sure returning to work with her job intact was a major comfort. Our direct boss at the time would meet with her for lunch occasionally until she felt well enough to come back. I’m willing to bet it was the best way it could have gone for her in light of what she experienced.…

The boss in this story should be used as an example for others to learn from. What a great person.

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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I can't imagine what it would be like, and I'm terribly sorry that this happened to you. BUT what's the limiting principle behind 'forcing' companies to provide 'a great deal of leave' for this? I certainly agree that it's reasonable for an employer to offer bereavement time for the loss of a close family member, but why should this be made into law?

Because of cases like this article. Evidently this woman's employer does not have the insight to behave like decent human beings and needs to be forced. Your argument can be turned on just about any labor law. "It may be reasonable for a company to do this, but why should they be forced?" The answer is without reasonable minimum standards, some people will exploit their employees.

You only have to look at worrying trend of declining minimum wages in very many developed countries to find employer exploitation is alive and well.

My preference would be for law makers started with laws that forced companies to give theirs workers a fair days pay for a fair days work.

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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Competition goes both ways: employers that offer better benefits will attract more applicants, so they can higher higher quality employees.

Which means that those employees not deemed higher quality will only get the minimum market rate of benefits.

This is the essence of competition. Increasing demands on employers pushes people who want to/would be willing to work for less completely out of the market.

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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I can't imagine what it would be like, and I'm terribly sorry that this happened to you. BUT what's the limiting principle behind 'forcing' companies to provide 'a great deal of leave' for this? I certainly agree that it's reasonable for an employer to offer bereavement time for the loss of a close family member, but why should this be made into law?

It is reasonable, but reasonable employers for the most part don't exist. That's why we have laws establishing a minimum wage, nondiscrimination, paying out PTO in California, and the FMLA act which gives us parental leave in the first place.

This sounds like you're suggesting no one had good wages, paid time off, etc... before these laws. Is that the case?

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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I’ve found this to be one of the biggest flaws of capitalism itself. It’s pretty clear that capitalism and humanity itself needs to invest in nurturing the next generation in order to sustain long term growth, labour supply, pensions (until full automation) and yet the very same system makes it hell for anyone to actually have any kids. Just sucking the present workers dry and harming both the workers and the system itself in the long term. Most people are left with just enough money and energy to have one kid and barely survive in their jobs while nothing suggests to me that things have to be this way. The end goal of the economy has to be in producing human flourishing and well being and not goods.

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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You’re lucky you didn’t bet him, because you’d have lost. I’d have bet against you as well. The SVP and Chief Human Resources Officer at Informatica when this incident happened was Maureen Brennan. She’s also a former VP and BoD Trustee of the Women's Health and Counseling Center in New Jersey, which focuses on reproductive healthcare services.

And how do you know that she was the one to make this decision? And that men below her tried to stop this but were overruled? It all looks highly speculative to me.

Well, she owned the policy in question, and there’s no way that the head of HR didn’t get wind of an escalation like this. I don’t know about the bit regarding a man below her getting their decision overturned, but ultimately she would have approved it. If a policy interpretation decision was “mistakenly” made before it got to her, she would have been able to overturn it, and evidently that never happened.

But yes, of course it’s speculation :)

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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IMHO it would be cheap for companies to simply buy infant life insurance for all employees Individuals can buy this sort of life insurance for themselves without the help of their employers. Given that it is, as you say, "cheap" there isn't an economic burden either. Why would we want employers intruding into yet another aspect of individual's lives? We're all well aware of the problems that come from having employer…

Who the hell plans for their baby to die? You don't even consider the possibility, too much cognitive dissonance. And after all, how common is it these days? And then when it happens to you, so many other people have a similar story. Turns out it happens all the time, it's just that nobody talks about it. Also, consider for a moment how you'd feel being given a huge payout for a lost child. The money can't fix anythi…

The emotional complexities of "receiving a huge payout for the lost child" make me even more sure that employers shouldn't be getting involved in this. It's a deeply personal decision that people can have wildly differing views on. The last thing we want is businesses making these sorts of decisions for their employees.

Businesses aren't your parents. They shouldn't be involved in stuff this personal.

Re: Engineer Says Software Firm Cut Her Maternity Leave Short After Her Baby Died

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I had a baby that died. It was an excruciating experience and nobody around us knew what to do or say. From personal experience I can say it should be treated as a grave mental health issue and companies should be forced to provide a great deal of leave to both parents. Whether leave is paid or unpaid, this should be treated in the same way as any disability or health related leave. IMHO it would be cheap for compani…

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