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Re: Google are removing URLs entirely from search results?

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This is a purely anti-user move. No user gains anything by it, this actually helps phishing sites. Oh, and it happens to help Google's AMP effort, which can now pretend to be the original site even more effectively. Time to get everyone to use Duck Duck Go, and to get rid of those Google CAPTCHAs which are an even bigger data harvesting operation than search.

Side note: For those who tried DDG in the past and were unimpressed I suggest giving it a whirl again. I kind of wrote it off a few years ago and then tried it recently and its pretty good. You may have to modify some search habits. If you enable location tracking they do anonymous localized results (can read about it here: https://help.duckduckgo.com/privacy/anonymous-localized-resu... ) Usually good if you're used…

I still can't leave google. Because it saves me lots of clicks and js slowness of other websites.

Most of the time I find whatever I am looking for directly on the results page like movie review, ratings, actors, related movies and many other things. It shows prices of a product on different stores directly and also related products. No other search engine does this. Bing is almost there except it does not show product prices in my country.

Re: Google are removing URLs entirely from search results?

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Side note: For those who tried DDG in the past and were unimpressed I suggest giving it a whirl again. I kind of wrote it off a few years ago and then tried it recently and its pretty good. You may have to modify some search habits. If you enable location tracking they do anonymous localized results (can read about it here: https://help.duckduckgo.com/privacy/anonymous-localized-resu... ) Usually good if you're used…

I think it's fair to say DDG (i.e. Bing) is clearly worse than Google, which is a real shame. However, it's still usable and you can resort to google when a search query isn't working.

It's not fair to say that at all.

DDG has better results than Google for most has cases, and Bing has better results for just under half of use cases.

Re: Google are removing URLs entirely from search results?

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On Google for me, the link is missing. Google also does this fun thing where when you click on the link it invisibly changes in the background to a Google-wrapped URL.[0] If you right-click on the link and select "copy link location", you won't get the result you want, you'll get gibberish. So it proves that you can use DuckDuckGo to immediately get the link with no fuss, and that Google Search is increasingly not de…

Google rewrites URLs to track clicks and improve search, which is mildly annoying but not quite nefarious. The links obviously works, but if you want it to look nicer, why not just click and get the URL from the browser? That might even be faster depending on device and keyboard/touchscreen/mouse setup and usage.

Sometimes the target site has been rearranged, the link immediately redirects to an unhelpful generic page, and the Googlefuscated link doesn't work in the Wayback Machine.

This is easy enough [for me] to work around with browser developer tools on the desktop, but a PITA on, e.g., iOS, where these are not readily available.

Google could solve the problem without sacrificing telemetry by overriding the context menu for the link with an option to "show original link".

Re: Google are removing URLs entirely from search results?

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It's actually true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel Whether it is significant or not is another matter entirely.

That link is cool, I wasn't aware the CIA has a literal VC firm! Still, I'm skeptical. The link doesn't really say In-Q-Tel influenced Google directly, I especially don't see evidence for influence during Google's early years. It appears Keyhole (a company G acquired in 2005, who's software became Google Earth) was funded in part by intelligence money. Google went public in 2004, so they were already beholden to publ…

They funded Facebook as well.

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It's still regular for me but if true this will probably be the last straw for me. It's already absolutely impossible to send someone a link to a pdf you've found through google, this would make it impossible to send any link. That bloody wrapper is also a fine piece of shit. Search engines should link to content, not appropriate that content, hide who supplies it or mess with the links.

> It's already absolutely impossible to send someone a link to a pdf you've found through google, this would make it impossible to send any link.

Do you have an example of that behavior?

I wanted to know "what is a lure in counterintelligence?". Here is a link to the second search result, which happens to be a PDF:

https://fas.org/irp/eprint/ci-glossary.pdf

For the answer to the query, search for "dangle" in the PDF.

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CIA grants. As conspiracy it sounds, it's perfectly public knowledge and true.

It annoys me how any mention of the In-Q-Tel relationship to certain tech firms is met with derision and downvotes and accusations of crazy conspiracy theory. It's as if NSL's and Prism were just a blip on the radar people want to pretend isn't happening anymore. Snowdens docs though released in 2013 were from 2007! Imagine how much more embedded and pervasive the system is (which probably just got a name change as i…

Stockholm syndrome variation? We're all so dependent on Google it pays off mentally to pretend they must be on our side.

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I found that DDG is okay for two types of queries: common everyday topics and technical queries. For many other niche topic, it’s not good at all. I use DDG as the default and have been doing so for many years. I still have to add !g every time I search for violin related questions. The results are often just not relevant at all. I think DDG still has a long way to grow to be a 100% replacement for Google outside the…

Regarding technical queries, they consistently return links to the python 2 docs, never python 3. What I assume people do is they click on the python 2 docs then change the version on the python website. So, from bings perspective it looks like people want the python 2 links. It always frustrates me and makes looking stuff up longer than needed.

qwant hands back py3 links: https://lite.qwant.com/?q=python+builtin+exceptions

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Yes: minimize or stop using them. There are alternate search options. The web has very little lock-in (on the user side) compared to say desktop and mobile... make use of that. While there's a chance the EU might do something about the behavior, I think it's safe to say that here in the US the odds of anything pro-consumer happening anytime soon are effectively nil.

> Yes: minimize or stop using them... The web has very little lock-in There are people who could not register to vote in time because reCAPTCHA has blocked them.

What‘s your alternative to using reCAPTCHA? Have you tried building a page with login function without it?

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Same here, switched my default search engine to DDG a few months and it took only a few days to get used to it. So much that I was very surprised to discover that I know dislike Google results UI (something I never imagined could happen). I still fallback to Google for advanced search (usually technical subjects) with !g but in the majority of common searches the DDG default results are what I expect. Seriously to al…

DDG should seriously drop the infinite scrolling on their results page. It's so annoying, even Google tried it once and gave up on it.

You can easily disable that here, among other handy settings:

https://duckduckgo.com/settings

Re: Google are removing URLs entirely from search results?

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> Yes: minimize or stop using them... The web has very little lock-in There are people who could not register to vote in time because reCAPTCHA has blocked them.

What‘s your alternative to using reCAPTCHA? Have you tried building a page with login function without it?

www.hcaptcha.com www.solvemedia.com

A load of other anti-spam captchas not owned by Google...

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