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Re: Firefox 70

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Post by moystard » Sat, Oct 26, 2019, 6:00 PM UTC

techwizrd wrote: post #427

lpuerto wrote: post #395

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There are other options (paid ones) that are equal —or even better since they are quite automatic— than ublock. The only two things I'm missing in safari to be hones are: - A no-script extension or similar. - Sync part of my work is on a no macOS machines I don't have safari there, so no sync. I partially overcome this with bookmaster for bookmarks, but I still missing tabs and read it later list. However, firefox do…

Firefox Sync syncs your tabs, bookmarks, passwords, etc. Your read it later list is synced through Pocket (which is owned by Mozilla). They exist on desktop and mobile.

Still using pinboard; one of the best investment I made in my entire life.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by BrendanEich » Sun, Oct 27, 2019, 6:08 PM UTC

astine wrote: post #77

eyegor wrote: post #38

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Only a week? And I would slap python 3 right on top of that. Despite the language being inherently messy and fully dynamic (similar to js), there are tons of static analysis tools, compilers, alternate run times, IDEs, etc. Edit: the "only a week?" question was genuine, it wasn't meant to be tongue in cheek.

" There was a lot of internal pressure to pick one language as soon as possible. Python, Tcl, Scheme itself were all possible candidates. So Eich had to work fast. He had two advantages over the alternatives: freedom to pick the right set of features, and a direct line to those who made the calls. Unfortunately, he also had a big disadvantage: no time. Lots of important decisions had to be made and very little time w…

Do some elementary, Wikipedia-level research — Python was at 1.3 then if I recall correctly. As I’ve written many times, the management order was “make it look like Java”, so none of the languages you mentioned was practical. None was practical anyway in terms of portability and safety from Windows 3.1 to Mac CodeWarrior to a number of Unixes that still mattered to Netscape sales. See/hear also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1905155. See also https://devchat.tv/js-jabber/124-jsj-the-origin-of-javascrip... — transcript below the fold.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by BuckRogers » Sun, Oct 27, 2019, 6:21 PM UTC

acqq wrote: post #457

BuckRogers wrote: post #450

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If you would share any of your findings, I'd be interested to see that. From what I've read, Mozilla can't really optimize rendering to the level of Safari & Edge. I found this article[0] on WebRender to be very interesting on this front. The author noted- "Note: Painting and compositing is where browser rendering engines are the most different from each other. Single-platform browsers (Edge and Safari) work a bit di…

My notebook happens to have a fan calibrated to turn on when the CPU gets "too hot" where the point is above of what is consumed by IE to show the pages with more videos, so I actually hear the power consumption of Firefox and I simply don't hear it for the same page when opened in IE. So for me is simply: open some page, hear the fan for as long as the page remains open. Do the same with IE, silence. BTW I otherwise…

That's essentially how I've been A:B testing as well. I was hoping you had some software that measured power draw and tracked it. Much like the Windows 10 power usage info. A laptop fan is a pretty good arbiter.

Agreed though, it's very noticeable and I never did feel it until I started using a laptop more than a desktop. I'm also finding bugs in the iOS version of Firefox which is probably going to be the last straw, not only does it freeze often, my bookmarks are no longer there and they were synced from my Firefox account. I'm likely to migrate to native browsers for whichever platform I'm on at that time. As you said in their own process they're focused on feature development but not efficiency. Overall, I'm losing faith that Mozilla has the resources to effectively manage all of this.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by gwern » Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:49 AM UTC

gwern wrote: post #252

TeMPOraL wrote: post #176

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Do people actually want it? Technological limitation or not, this is how things have been both in print and digital for as long as I can remember. Not to mention handwriting. I still find the non-overlapping underline weird (even if kind of neat).

I think people do; it's popular enough that many people implement it, not just Tufte-CSS, it was one of the first things I added to gwern.net once I saw it demoed, I believe Medium also does it, and no one's complained to me that they really like the overlapping obscuration.

Wikipedia also does it, I just noticed.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Nov 02, 2019, 8:54 PM UTC

gamblor956 wrote: post #250

alexis_fr wrote: post #163

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Mozilla fired their CEO, the founder of JS, Brendan Eich, because he made a donation 10 years before to a Christian charity. Many SV people are missing the scope and scale of the impact of having OSS charities engaging in the political campaign – it is renouncing all donations from the other side. It is not their role. Every year I have thousands of dollars that I try to affect to OSS charities, but I’m yet to find a…

A donation to a Christian charity would have been fine. There are thousands of them in the US and around the world. No, Eich specifically made a donation to a political campaign for CA's Prop 8 that used blood-libel-level lies to cast homosexuals as pedophiles and sexual predators and use that as a justification to deny them the right to marry. And this was the state of the Prop 8 campaign at the time he made the don…

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Re: Firefox 70

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Post by thw0rted » Tue, Nov 05, 2019, 2:12 PM UTC

ronjouch wrote: post #21

ar7hur wrote: post #2

The one thing that prevents me from switching to Firefox is the spell checker. Like many non-native English people, I'm constantly switching between languages when typing. Chrome is smart with that, and detects the right language sentence per sentence. Is there a way to have FF do this? Did I miss something?

Please vote and/or speak up (constructively, no "mee too" comments please) on https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=69687

LOL forever @ "opened 19 years ago"

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by BrendanEich » Wed, Nov 06, 2019, 5:48 AM UTC

icebraining wrote: post #376

jorvi wrote: post #197

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Hence why I like Brave. Their model is very solid and seems a lot more sustainable than depending on Google as their overlord. Ads are voluntary, displayed as a system notification and vetted by Brave. Watch ads, you get tokens which pay publishers. If you don't want ads, you can buy tokens. If you don't want to buy tokens, you still won't see ads. And except for the first offer there is no nag screen either. I think…

> Their model is very solid and seems a lot more sustainable than depending on Google as their overlord Brave also depends on Google as their overlord, it's just that the contribution is made in code instead of dollars. There's no evidence Brave could survive if Google changed that deal, whereas Firefox has already spent years independent from them.

Lots of browsers use chromium, now including Microsoft. It’s all open source apart from Widevine, so the “deal” you must mean is Google paying for most of the engineers. With the new Microsoft Edge out, this deal is less of a risk for Brave or any small chromium-based Browser, but the risk was always low.

It is misleading to equate open source with paid search deals of the kind Mozilla has with Google. Brave has no such deal and is not likely to get one without leverage via market share or other scale advantages.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by BrendanEich » Wed, Nov 06, 2019, 5:55 AM UTC

jorvi wrote: post #426

roca wrote: post #314

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Blocking ads by default would require a judgement that ads and ad-supported Web sites are bad by default. That is a much more extreme and less supportable position than Mozilla's position that tracking is bad by default. People who want to block all ads can opt into that with a Firefox ad-blocking extension (including on Android, unlike Chrome). Brave's fine, but if you're worried about Google/Chrome hegemony you'd b…

> People who want to block all ads can opt into that with a Firefox ad-blocking extension Except on iOS, where you have to finagle with VPN-based blockers > because as a Chromium browser it's a part of that hegemony I'm well aware. I'd rather use (and recommend to less techy people) Firefox, but I can't with their current stance. People want/need adblocking but they also want sync. If Firefox had an ad-blocking toggl…

Just to clarify, Brave blocks tracking not ads, and so does what @roca advocates — but we have always done it by default, and we block more tracking than Firefox belatedly does. What’s more, we include an optional way to support your favorite sites and channels. See https://batgrowth.com/ for results so far.

I’m curious what ads you want to block that effective tracking protection does not block as an effect of blocking scripts that both track and (via generated scripts) place ads. Thanks.