WordPress usage worldwide • Hacker News Board

Re: WordPress usage worldwide

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Post by sandov » Sat, Nov 02, 2019, 6:26 PM UTC

mfer wrote: post #16

rbritton wrote: post #3

By only profiling the top 1M sites, I wonder if this may be sampling from a set not normally distributed? I suspect the frequency of use of WordPress might go up the further down the list you go — some random blog is less likely to be on the top 1M list yet be more likely to use WordPress.

W3techs profiles the top 10 million sites which shows a percentage of 34% [1]. You might be right. [1] https://w3techs.com/technologies/overview/content_management...

The article says:

"Afirman que usan una base de datos de 10 millones de dominios sacadas directamente de Alexa, pero cuando vas a la fuente no existe. Alexa solo proporcionan 1 millón."

Translation:

They [W3techs] say they use a database of 10 million domains taken directly from Alexa, but when you inspect the source, it doesn't exist. Alexa provides only 1 million.

Re: WordPress usage worldwide

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Post by sandov » Sat, Nov 02, 2019, 6:31 PM UTC

benbristow wrote: post #8

The way this works seems to check if there's the "generator" meta tag in the . Custom themes etc. might choose to omit that so it's not a 100% reliable check

The article says that they also look for "wp-admin" et al in robots.txt

Re: WordPress usage worldwide

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Post by petra » Sat, Nov 02, 2019, 6:42 PM UTC

AJ007 wrote: post #20

rdiddly wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect this is so. The top million (specifically a subset of that) is where the sites fall whose owners can afford to hire people to build their own custom stuff. Small independent sites seem more likely to rely on something like WordPress.

That is definitely not true. I think that statement is correct roughly for the top 50,000. The fall off in economic viability is fairly abrupt. There are some websites in certain markets where the earn a disproportionately high amount of revenue per visitor, and these are the exception. But, given the nature of web and the difficulty in how the user actually found that site, a good chunk of their margins may have acc…

From what we know about software platforms - it's a winner takes all/most business.

Wordpress isn't there(but 34% is huge).

Why is that ?

Re: WordPress usage worldwide

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Post by onion2k » Sat, Nov 02, 2019, 6:43 PM UTC

AJ007 wrote: post #20

rdiddly wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect this is so. The top million (specifically a subset of that) is where the sites fall whose owners can afford to hire people to build their own custom stuff. Small independent sites seem more likely to rely on something like WordPress.

That is definitely not true. I think that statement is correct roughly for the top 50,000. The fall off in economic viability is fairly abrupt. There are some websites in certain markets where the earn a disproportionately high amount of revenue per visitor, and these are the exception. But, given the nature of web and the difficulty in how the user actually found that site, a good chunk of their margins may have acc…

Most of the top 10,000,000 websites are the internet presence of businesses that sells things in the real world.

Re: WordPress usage worldwide

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Post by reaperducer » Sat, Nov 02, 2019, 6:58 PM UTC

sandov wrote: post #22

benbristow wrote: post #8

The way this works seems to check if there's the "generator" meta tag in the . Custom themes etc. might choose to omit that so it's not a 100% reliable check

The article says that they also look for "wp-admin" et al in robots.txt

I suspect (hope) that means none of the WordPress sites I maintain will be in the tally.

Customizing the metadata, stripping out unnecessary cruft, and moving the user and admin login pages behind IP-restricted firewalls (when possible) are among the first things I do.

Re: WordPress usage worldwide

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Post by capableweb » Sat, Nov 02, 2019, 7:12 PM UTC

The Readme says "Warning that it can take a long time: between 20 to 30 days."

How in the world can it take so long time? The csv file seems to be 24mb in size and the computation performed can't be that advanced. Did the author do something seriously wrong?

Re: WordPress usage worldwide

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Post by detaro » Sat, Nov 02, 2019, 7:15 PM UTC

capableweb wrote: post #26

The Readme says "Warning that it can take a long time: between 20 to 30 days." How in the world can it take so long time? The csv file seems to be 24mb in size and the computation performed can't be that advanced. Did the author do something seriously wrong?

It just processes everything sequentially.

Re: WordPress usage worldwide

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Post by fierarul » Sat, Nov 02, 2019, 7:29 PM UTC

big_chungus wrote: post #18

fierarul wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Small independent sites seem more likely to rely on something like WordPress. I never understood this. I've also been suggested Wordpress by a web guy. The only time I had Wordpress on a pretty basic website I got a notification it had been hacked, while on holiday! I've been using static websites ever since. I suspect a lot of the current small Wordpress sites could be just a well and more securely served by some…

Not every site is static. Sometimes you need forms, processing, or other back-end business logic. Some people advocating using saas widgets for stuff like cc payments, but you're just farming out the dynamic parts to someone else. That gets hard to maintain with scale and with increased complexity. I see a lot of people on this site debating the pure merits of a technology, but what others know and can work with is j…

I agree with your remarks. There certainly are sites out there in need of dynamic behaviour. But that long tail has a lot of restaurant websites and such where nothing is really needed.

Re: WordPress usage worldwide

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Post by subpixel » Sat, Nov 02, 2019, 7:31 PM UTC

mxpxrocks10 wrote: post #7

you have to use a larger sample. There are 300M+ domains. The longer tail will surely have more wordpress in it.

Or more Wix, Squarespace, and Shopify in it.

Re: WordPress usage worldwide

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Post by capableweb » Sat, Nov 02, 2019, 7:39 PM UTC

detaro wrote: post #27

capableweb wrote: post #26

The Readme says "Warning that it can take a long time: between 20 to 30 days." How in the world can it take so long time? The csv file seems to be 24mb in size and the computation performed can't be that advanced. Did the author do something seriously wrong?

It just processes everything sequentially.

I saw that it's actually going through all the website urls and makes a request for each. To be optimisitic, each request takes 1 second, that's 1m seconds. That's ~10 days, so doesn't seem unrealistic it would actually take ton of time.