Humans are awesome difference tellers, but once you have too much of the same thing you will be indifferent to it. As with happiness that could happen, there is a limit of sustaining higher highs. Unless that person can stop and notice around them and be grateful of what they have by noticing the suffering around. Something to that degree
So, if by some feat of governmental magic, my city were able to eliminate the homelessness problem, I might be less happy because I wouldn't see as much suffering around me?
Can You Overdose on Happiness?
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#32Humans are awesome difference tellers, but once you have too much of the same thing you will be indifferent to it. As with happiness that could happen, there is a limit of sustaining higher highs. Unless that person can stop and notice around them and be grateful of what they have by noticing the suffering around. Something to that degree
So, if by some feat of governmental magic, my city were able to eliminate the homelessness problem, I might be less happy because I wouldn't see as much suffering around me?
Sometimes YouTube shows me videos of natural disasters (I have a strong interest in the extremes of physics, weather, nature, etc. generally) and some of those videos feature widespread human suffering on display. When I see these videos, I remember that my life is actually pretty great despite the minor nuisances that may have me feeling ticked off that day. Couldn't seeing homelessness around you could remind you how lucky you are that you don't suffer from the conditions that lead to homelessness?
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#33You can, but most people have a built-in defense mechanism for dealing with excessive happiness; they indulge invented troubles and make themselves miserable. Some large fraction of contemporary news headlines are attributable to this phenomenon; most people aren't actually clever enough to invent their own troubles so they adopt the invented troubles created by others.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-personal-renais...
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#34I eventually settled on two 'states'. A 'centered' state and a 'joyful' one. Any time I noticed myself outside of one of the two states, I performed the quick ritual to bring myself back to it.
After a few days of practice, I found myself shockingly good at performing quick, directed mood shifts, in any situation I found myself in. I settled into a routine that lasted a few weeks.
It didn't suck, I never 'overdosed'. It was every bit as cool as you can imagine it being.
However over time I lost the desire to keep it up. Eventually I realized that, in the end, being able to relate to others requires a certain amount of empathy, and being blissed-out all the time made it really difficult to do that.
It might get easier if everyone around me also could stay centered or joyful, but if I want deep fulfilling relationships with others, being able to feel what they feel and not what I want to feel is important.
This is ultimately what makes addiction so caustic to relationships IMO. Your mood stops moving and flexing with your social environs. It's a feedback loop that closes you off from those that sustain you and you lean heavier on the substance.
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#35> I guess I got a happy ending, but every happy ending has the day after the happy ending, right? And the day after that. So the wedding was so much fun. It was the happiest day of my life. But, you know, what does that say about all the days I have left?
I've always liked that quote, because it is something that gets a bit glossed over in books and movies, but is important; the first derivative of happiness after something amazing is almost invariably negative.
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#36In some ways I was a bit jealous of how he never seemed to let things get to him. But on the other hand, he would let certain aspects of his life fall apart in ways that seemed to me his perpetual good humor perhaps didn't allow him to address. If he had felt a bit more discomfort I think he would have taken a different path from time to time and ultimately wound up in a better place overall.
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#37"Man’s ultimate happiness consists in the contemplation of truth, for this operation is specific to man and is shared with no other animals. Also it is not directed to any other end since the contemplation of truth is sought for its own sake. In addition, in this operation man is united to higher beings (substances) since this is the only human operation that is carried out both by God and by the separate substances (angels). (Summa Contra Gentiles, book 3, chapter 37)
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It is impossible for any created good to constitute man’s happiness. For happiness is that perfect good which entirely satisfies one’s desire; otherwise it would not be the ultimate end, if something yet remained to be desired. Now the object of the will, i.e., of man’s desire, is what is universally good; just as the object of the intellect is what is universally true. Hence it is evident that nothing can satisfy man’s will, except what is universally good. This is to be found, not in any creature, but in God alone, because every creature has only participated goodness. Therefore, God alone can satisfy the will of man, according to the words of the Psalms (102:5): “Who alone satisfies your desire with good things.” Therefore, God alone constitutes man’s happiness.” (Summa Theologica Part 2. Q.1. Article 8)
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#38Some 8 years or so ago I experimented with triggering mood changes using a meditative technique. I had long been doing 'centering' meditative exercises so that I could bring more focus and clarity to seated practice. I wanted something more practical that would affect my everyday life. I eventually settled on two 'states'. A 'centered' state and a 'joyful' one. Any time I noticed myself outside of one of the two stat…
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#39https://www.myrighttime.com/concussions-depression
https://msktc.org/tbi/factsheets/depression-after-traumatic-...
https://www.brainline.org/article/depression-after-brain-inj...
http://healthland.time.com/2013/01/17/study-reveals-how-conc...
In my case, I was a rambunctious kid who bumped his noggin dozens of times and I always wondered if that had an effect on my mood. I've struggled with depression off and on since my late teens, although I think that most of it was environmental. It can be difficult sometimes as creative people to find satisfaction in the workaday world when it's so far removed from the life of invention and fulfillment that we might imagine for ourselves.
The interesting thing about concussion is that it doesn't always show up on brain scans because it can be microscopic tears in the white matter connecting different regions, rather than acute damage to a specific area. So maybe everything is working, but there is a delay or diminishment in inner monolog that makes everything feel like a struggle or seem like tasks require additional motivation that is difficult to maintain.
It could manifest differently for everyone though, and the damage may or may not be permanent. I think that some of the trouble comes because we might rewire ourselves to cope with temporary damage, and then find ourselves caught in dysfunctional habits after the brain repairs itself via neuroplasticity. Similar things happen in the body with referred pain, where nerves report pain months or years after a muscle strain heals, for example. I’ve been experimenting with a TENS machine and after just 3 half-hour sessions, the pain in one of my shoulder blades is about 1/3 less than before.
I also think there might be a connection with the limbic system, or whichever centers connect thought with external action. I’ve noticed that I can brainstorm like no tomorrow, or perform physical tasks like lifting weights, but combining the two to adapt physically under changing mental requirements and do things like home improvement projects can be taxing sometimes. The end result being that I’m not quite the self-motivator I once was, because it’s easier to procrastinate reading/writing about my interests or take direct orders from a boss than start my own project.
So I’ve been experimenting with separating my goals and performing them temporally, using a to-do list. Maybe list what to do in the morning, then perform the steps in the afternoon or the next day. The idea being that any of us can write an outline of how to achieve our dreams, hopefully incorporating mindfulness meditation practices (aka The Secret), then diligently follow those steps by reporting to ourselves as our own boss and achieve some level of spiritual independence and satisfaction in our lives.
Some keywords that helped me research this are SSRI, SNRI and adult crawling. YMMV though as I’m a bit of a mind hacker (certainly not a doctor) and have never been on antidepressants.
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#40Happiness and suffering are tow sides of the same coin. They follow each other closely. Overdose of happiness will lead to an equal amount of suffering. Better to be indifferent to either and focus on equanimity, peace and harmonY.
Is there scientific evidence that the more we have highly happy moments the more we have highly suffering moments? I does not match my experience of life.
Basically: who gets happier when they get a gift? Someone who doesn't get gifts a lot, or someone who's always getting gifts?