The FBI Is Tracking Our Faces in Secret, and We’re Suing

Post by wallace_f » Fri, Nov 01, 2019, 3:50 AM UTC

rapind wrote: post #15

mikece wrote: post #2

After listening to Joe Rogan's interview with Edward Snowden I bought and listened to his book "Permanent Record." At this point I have to assume that at least a dozen agencies in a handful of countries are watching me through my webcam as I type this message right now. Snowden suggested (or at least I inferred) that he didn't reveal all there is to know about the scope of government surveillance and it's only logica…

They aren't watching you. They're recording you. They're running algorithms to classify and index you. They're building massive data centers to house all of this semi organized and raw data. And when they leak it all they won't be held accountable because terrorists, children, and stuff. It's not a conspiracy theory. It's real and it's a black hat's wet dream. Oh yeah, they can use it for political purposes too I sup…

Post by pdonis » Fri, Nov 01, 2019, 5:01 AM UTC

lefstathiou wrote: post #79

caconym_ wrote: post #7

I wish we would stop emphasizing the social justice/accuracy concerns so heavily when talking about this. Starting that way will cause a huge segment of the population to switch off as soon as you start talking. Imagine it works perfectly, and a three-letter agency with practically zero oversight, transparency, or accountability is collecting an accurate history of every single thing you do--everywhere you go, who yo…

Yes. I don't believe our government is inherently evil and unjust. They have and will continue to have access to all this information legally anyway (if it exists, they can legally get it). On the plus side, I see a lot of positives with this. I'm tired of graffiti everywhere. The other day I was walking home and some kid picked up a metal trash can on the corner of 37th and 8th, dumped it in the middle of the road a…

Post by staticjak » Fri, Nov 01, 2019, 5:59 AM UTC

dingus wrote: post #116

altec3 wrote: post #74

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It's great if websites work without Javascript but, I don't think its fair to call them poorly designed if they dont. The web is made from HTML, CSS and Javascript. Turn off one of them and of course things aren't going to work or look right.

Javascript required for text rendering is incredibly poor design. For those of us with limited connections, I turn off Javascript because I don't want to download 10MB of Javascript ad tech and frameworks. This is expensive and takes forever to load on satellite and rural connections. Good design takes these basic common issues into account.

Post by Mirioron » Fri, Nov 01, 2019, 8:20 AM UTC

Springtime wrote: post #83

throwaway_law wrote: post #56

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>I've spoken with people who have said they are ok with it, when I start asking questions or sharing details on how this has been abused I tend to find they have not thought it through In the future just ask them to unlock their phone and hand it to you so you can look at their email, text and browser history. Watch them hesitate and refuse.

This form of argument was covered in Daniel J. Solove's ''I've got nothing to hide'' and Other Misunderstandings of Privacy (available to read online), which goes into some detail about how such analogies are rather easily countered since they're not based on actual examples (privacy 'dead bodies' so to speak) that demonstrate abuse/negative impacts. In this case the analogy being made is that by accepting certain fo…

Post by Mirioron » Fri, Nov 01, 2019, 8:29 AM UTC

thelittleone wrote: post #120

wlesieutre wrote: post #8

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And on the off chance someone reading this is OK with the government doing that for law enforcement purposes, also consider that >At least a dozen U.S. National Security Agency employees have been caught using secret government surveillance tools to spy on the emails or phone calls of their current or former spouses and lovers in the past decade, according to the intelligence agency’s internal watchdog. before giving…

> and store it in a database forever. This is an important point. Most people are deciding what they're ok with based on today's circumstances, government etc. What happens if some years from now, your past behavior is at odds with the current government. You will be flagged and there will undoubtedly be consequences, which, even if minor are still negative. E.g., flagged for searches at border crossings.