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NSO hacked WhatsApp to spy on top government officials at U.S. allies

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These tools keep authoritarians in power and indirectly impact hundres of millions of people. It's like saying you don't care about pacific ocean plastic because you live on the east coast.

How’s that different from selling weapons to them, though?

It's not - we shouldn't be selling weapons to them either. Ditto with sharing intel.

Sanctions on selling exploits seems easier to achieve though since there is less of a conflict with economic interests

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High levels of investment, mandatory military service, and exceptionally good education. If you ever get the chance to talk to someone from Israel, especially someone in tech who was raised in Israel, I recommend it. Ask them about where they went to school. You'll learn a lot.

> exceptionally good education. Is that so?! I’m an Israeli and I assumed that it’s the really bad education that is responsible for stronger skepticism and Chutzpah.

I have heard that Technion, huji, tau are good schools for cs/ee.

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What are Israel doing to get so good at this and chip design and weapons making and everything else they seem to be really good at? There’s only about 8 million people in the whole country. There are plenty of cities with more people than that. How come they punch so far above their weight?

The Israeli army makes you code 12 hours a day for a year in some training programs. Our punch is above our weight because of hard work and skepticism. That's not the terrible stuff like NSO. NSO is just a clever way for the government (and the US government - don't forget) to export the military technology, regulate it and then claim they did not do it but a private company did. Virtually everyone in NSO was in 8200…

I don't think they make anyone do that. The people who join these programs are predisposed to programming 12 hours a day (or more) in the first place. It's an effect rather than a cause.

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> exceptionally good education. Is that so?! I’m an Israeli and I assumed that it’s the really bad education that is responsible for stronger skepticism and Chutzpah.

I have heard that Technion, huji, tau are good schools for cs/ee.

They are great, but academy is not the breeding grounds of NSO and its ilk.

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What are Israel doing to get so good at this and chip design and weapons making and everything else they seem to be really good at? There’s only about 8 million people in the whole country. There are plenty of cities with more people than that. How come they punch so far above their weight?

I presume that most people will disagree with this but I believe that it is related to Jewish people on average being generally smarter than a non-jewish person. Consider for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates > "Nobel Prizes[note 1] have been awarded to over 900 individuals,[1] of whom at least 20% were Jews, although the Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's po…

Jewish do indeed account for a disproportionate number of Nobel Prizes, among other things. At the very least, that seems to indicate that intellectual prowess is highly regarded inside the Jewish community and, as such, strongly encouraged as kids grow up. It's possible that the Jewish culture itself may provide members with a sense of structure and discipline that other cultures perhaps lack (at least on average).

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Don't forget that some disgruntled employee stole the software a few years ago. So who knows who has access to this. https://m.calcalist.co.il/Article.aspx?guid=3741738

Really wish I knew what this said

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u...

Here's a translated page.

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I presume that most people will disagree with this but I believe that it is related to Jewish people on average being generally smarter than a non-jewish person. Consider for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates > "Nobel Prizes[note 1] have been awarded to over 900 individuals,[1] of whom at least 20% were Jews, although the Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's po…

Kindling this kind of provocative discussions should not be permitted here. The argument that x is smarter than everyone else without ever this being able to be verified is ridiculous. I don't suppose that a kid in Nigeria has the same access to education, resources, foreign aid, easy visa and an immense network as the average kid in Israel. Of course, that is an extreme. But assigning intelligence to a "gene" and ex…

> Kindling this kind of provocative discussions should not be permitted here

I simply and in good faith answered jonplackett's question based on my personal opinion and observations. My intention was not to provoke, although I do realise that this is a sensitive topic for some.

> But assigning intelligence to a "gene" and excluding any kind of environmental or societal/cultural reason for this kind of outlier is not very "smart"

Certainly, I do not believe that genetics is the only factor that affects intelligence. That being said, in the same spirit, I think that excluding genetics as a potential factor just because it makes some feel uncomfortable is not very smart.

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Don't forget that some disgruntled employee stole the software a few years ago. So who knows who has access to this. https://m.calcalist.co.il/Article.aspx?guid=3741738

That website made my screen go black and my phone get hot!

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Well, Sweden is indeed one of the known tech powerhouses. But this just seems to prove the parent point, as there are many places in the world with similar population/quality of life/etc., but none of them come even close to Sweden/Israel/Bay Area in terms of tech.

It depends on how you define tech. The Netherlands are small (16m people) and world leaders in Agritech. We've got some decent tech companies in general (Philips, Booking, NXP, TomTom) and of course Shell / Unilever. You can probably say something similar about Finland or Ireland.

Philips? The same company that sold me 15W grow lights while claiming they were 40w? I don't trust that company as far as I can throw it after that bit of outright fraud they pulled on me.
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