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NSO hacked WhatsApp to spy on top government officials at U.S. allies

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I know a military contractor working on stuff for non-Nato airforces. These guys use WattsApp for everything. It blew my mind.

I sincerely hope you are joking but from what I've seen myself it would not surprise me at all.

Nope. I wish it were a joke. Now this stuff isn't modern gear on F35s (think testing benches, displays, meetings, etc) but it's still horrific.

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I mean, Signal is open source and not owned by Facebook, so I'm not sure why anybody uses WhatsApp instead.

Last I checked Signal's UX was worse enough that I'd be fighting a real uphill battle to get my friend group to switch.

The UX is fine IMO. They've been improving it. I have a couple non tech savvy friends that use it and they're fine with it.

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Which is hilarious and hypocritical, since the government keeps talking about making end-to-end encryption apps illegal to distribute without backdoors. Now they're using an encryption app with a backdoor,* and they're upset about it? I thought this is what they wanted! *I know, I know, this probably wasn't done with a backdoor -- it's just funnier to lie in this context.

Hypocritical? How many of your personal secrets (or even your corporate secrets) would cause >= thousands of people to die or >= billions of taxpayer dollars to be lost if they were leaked?

Suppose I am a pedophile and somebody discovers that. They then use that as a leverage against me to perform something entirely else, which is illegal, too.

In the context of our society, me being a pedophile is better than me being a pedophile who also does other illegal things to cover that up.

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What are Israel doing to get so good at this and chip design and weapons making and everything else they seem to be really good at? There’s only about 8 million people in the whole country. There are plenty of cities with more people than that. How come they punch so far above their weight?

There is no reason why other well educated countries could being doing the same thing, but with the Israeli's, nothing is off the table. If a company in Israeli learns how to hack WhatsApp, that is seen as an advantage for the Israeli government. If an American company learns how to hack WhatsApp, they bound by ethics to let WhatsApp know and make sure the issue is fixed. Israeli culture thinks that is crazy to do th…

Sounds like they are morally bankrupt. This is not something to be proud of in today's world.

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> How many people actually worry about these spy agencies? I don't really worry about the spy agencies themselves -- I am not of any interest to them. However, I worry a lot about the likes of NSO and the tools they produce. They are likely to end up being used, in one form or another, by criminals and corporations.

These tools keep authoritarians in power and indirectly impact hundres of millions of people. It's like saying you don't care about pacific ocean plastic because you live on the east coast.

How’s that different from selling weapons to them, though?

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Jews are extremely overrepresented amongst scientific, business, cultural, and political elites compared to how many of them are in the world. Just look at the list of 500 richest people, or Nobel Prize winners. I took a class on it back in the day in the uni. There are long and complicated historical factors contributing to this, including centuries of Catholic-church mandated Jewish monopoly on law & banking (i.e.…

> On top of that, everybody has been trying to murder Jews during the entire history, so there's a lot of natural selection. Wow! Does it work too for the blacks? Maybe, blacks run fast to escape from whites on electric cars!! And women! Women are prettier than men to manipulate men!! Please, don't do that. Please DON’T.

That was literally from a professor at Princeton in Jewish History class, based on mainstream academic literature. I'm not sure what the purpose of your sarcasm is. Are you one of those people I read about in articles on recent rise of antisemitism?

Jews have been prosecuted for centuries. Additionally, they never had a homeland before Israel, so it would really force them to develop a global/cosmopolitan/non-attachment mindset, which happens to pay off well in modern globalized economy.

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A buddy of mine is Special Forces (U.S.). He said JSOC recently banned use of WhatsApp and encouraged everyone to switch to the open-source Signal (another encrypted messaging app). Allegedly WhatsApp uses Signal's encryption (OpenWhisper) but I stopped trusting it the second Facebook bought them out.

Approx 20 months ago, numerous people I had contact with working in western military special operations units dropped WhatsApp in a fairly brief period of time.

Interesting. I think, FB matches whatsapp numbers with fb profiles and other meta data.

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What are Israel doing to get so good at this and chip design and weapons making and everything else they seem to be really good at? There’s only about 8 million people in the whole country. There are plenty of cities with more people than that. How come they punch so far above their weight?

I was told by a few people that their work culture is a sweatshop with "more work less bullshit" approach, is it true?

No.

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What are Israel doing to get so good at this and chip design and weapons making and everything else they seem to be really good at? There’s only about 8 million people in the whole country. There are plenty of cities with more people than that. How come they punch so far above their weight?

I was told by a few people that their work culture is a sweatshop with "more work less bullshit" approach, is it true?

Not really. We work more hours relatively to some other countries, but generally don't work that hard. I Worked with people from other countries (Specifically, US, Germany, UK, France), in general they seem to work harder _when they work_ but they finish the day early and take more vacation days.

In any case, it's far away from being a "sweatshop", technology companies are a nice gig.

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What are Israel doing to get so good at this and chip design and weapons making and everything else they seem to be really good at? There’s only about 8 million people in the whole country. There are plenty of cities with more people than that. How come they punch so far above their weight?

I presume that most people will disagree with this but I believe that it is related to Jewish people on average being generally smarter than a non-jewish person. Consider for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_Nobel_laureates > "Nobel Prizes[note 1] have been awarded to over 900 individuals,[1] of whom at least 20% were Jews, although the Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's po…

Kindling this kind of provocative discussions should not be permitted here. The argument that x is smarter than everyone else without ever this being able to be verified is ridiculous. I don't suppose that a kid in Nigeria has the same access to education, resources, foreign aid, easy visa and an immense network as the average kid in Israel.

Of course, that is an extreme. But assigning intelligence to a "gene" and excluding any kind of environmental or societal/cultural reason for this kind of outlier is not very "smart"

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