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Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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White Nationalism (in the US) is a political movement that asserts that the US should be a nation run by and for Caucasians. There are people of other ethnicities that are part of the White Nationalist movement.

I've never heard of that organization. Do they have a web site?

What point are you trying to get at? There are plenty of ideologies and political ideas that aren't represented by a singular organization advocating for them.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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If you pay taxes, you "support" the entire government. That doesn't mean that you are in favor of all of the things that it is doing. If you pay taxes, you are a citizen, not a "customer". These things are not the same.

Taxes are not voluntary. I pay taxes for the sole reason that I do not support armed men coming to my house to jail me for not paying taxes. They are paid under duress. I do not consent.

No laws are voluntary. They are all enforced under duress. Men will come to your house and jail you if you don't follow them. That's why they're called "laws", not "options".

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Even if a significant portion of GitHub's employees are non-US citizens, it's highly unlikely they're illegals.

> it's highly unlikely they're illegals I consider 'illegals' to be a derogatory term used by racists (whether they think they are racist is another matter) Did you drive a car today? Did you speed? If so that is an illegal activity so maybe you are also an 'illegal'? Maybe I am way off base? I should probably go hug a tree or something.

Luckily, whether you consider something racist or not has no actual impact on the usage of the term. And of course, you’re free to call a speeder an “illegal” if you want, just like apparently you’re free to call other HN users racist for using common terminology in a way you don’t like.

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Unions are majority rule democratic. When I worked at a plant for one of the big 3, the candidates the union submitted for trades promotions were universally white men. The union didn’t look out for women or minorities particularly well because the majority rules. People assume a tech union will lead to things being somehow more just, but be careful for what you wish for. James Damore might just have the votes.

What is a trades promotions - is this jargon for the executive ?

No, going from an assembly worker to a skilled trade like an electrician fixing robots. Compensation roughly doubles.

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I can’t pick and choose where my taxes go any more than I can pick and choose which constitutional amendments I want to see enforced. I can’t stop a war but I can choose not to work for military contractors.

Yes you can. You may give up your citizenship in exchange for another.

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Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Even if a significant portion of GitHub's employees are non-US citizens, it's highly unlikely they're illegals.

> it's highly unlikely they're illegals I consider 'illegals' to be a derogatory term used by racists (whether they think they are racist is another matter) Did you drive a car today? Did you speed? If so that is an illegal activity so maybe you are also an 'illegal'? Maybe I am way off base? I should probably go hug a tree or something.

It's short for the legal term "illegal alien".

An equivalent with your driving example would be "illegal speeding" (as opposed to, say, an ambulance, which can legally be given permission to speed).

The big difference is that "illegal alien" really does refer to a person simply existing in a country they are not supposed to be in, rather than an action like speeding, hence why shortening it to just the adjective "illegals" works. It describes a state of being, just like "asian" or "programmer".

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I'm curious what side you perceive standardUser to be on. They are making the case that this wasn't acceptable under the Obama administration either to younger generations, but they lacked the political power and voice to do anything about it. Voice and political power that they are now finding as they age into voting enfranchisement and build political action blocs.

Gitmo’s a great example. Under Bush it was immoral. Under Obama? Barely heard a thing. Sure standardUser might have thought it immoral all along, but did he attack both parties (when in power) with the same zeal?

> Gitmo’s a great example. Under Bush it was immoral. Under Obama? Barely heard a thing.

Anecdotes are just that. Just because you weren't paying attention to it doesn't mean it didn't happen.]

Left wing media I paid attention to definitely did not drop the issue of Guantanamo during that time. Just google some common sites - MotherJones, commondreams, Obama, and Guantanamo and you will see the criticism did not disappear for Obama not forcing the issue to an unwilling Congress.

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> Should we keep religion out of politics? Should we keep politics out of work? I doubt there are any clear answers. Sure we should probably keep politics out of work. Human rights abuses are not politics though. We can disagree on corporate regulation, taxes, transportation policy, zoning laws, bike lanes whatever. Hell we can disagree on gun control, abortion, climate change, whether the earth is flat or round. But…

> Human rights abuses are not politics though. They absolutely are political. The entire concept of human rights is political. There's a widespread consensus in many, many countries that they are worth protecting, but there's nothing magical or special about human rights that gives them any power beyond any other political decision.

Sure they are political, but that doesn't mean they should fall under the umbrella of what people consider politics in polite conversation or - for example - at work.

To draw an analogy of a sort of inverse example, Brexit is political but is not politics to most people in many cases.

Human rights abuses may be political, but they aren't politics if we are responsible for them, they are unconscionable. It may be politics to discuss what to do about the human rights abuses in other countries. But we are responsible for the murder, torture, and rape of children as a systemic policy.

If that sort of policy is politics then some of the politicians involved are violators of human rights and should be imprisoned.

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