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Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Post by Nasrudith » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 9:42 PM UTC

Really I have gotten the impression from my experience that employers tend to be irrationally picky and arbitrary about employees. They dismiss perfectly good canidates for "culture fit" or able to bullshit flatter their ego enough or for not having magical 2-5 years of experience for entry level. Yet if you have them or have a full time job they dogpile you with recruitment attempts - and spend years trying to fill a short term contract or you acknowledge that Cost of Living affects the salary you are willing to accept.

It seems the great recession broke their fragile HR minds.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Post by pault » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 9:46 PM UTC

xkde wrote: post #156

brookhaven_dude wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "stealing"

What would you call 9 people in a group of ten voting to take away the tenth guy’s stuff because they wanted to? I call it what it is - stealing. Greed. Envy. Interestingly, it will probably lead to more equality; it just won’t be what you’re expecting and I don’t think you’ll like the result. At this point though, the people probably deserve to get what they want and get it good and hard.

Except the 10th guy has more stuff than the other 9 combined.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Post by xkde » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 9:50 PM UTC

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #159

xkde wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the alternative is adaptation.

Well, I guess all those people living in tents under the freeway in Seattle have "adapted" then. Problem solved!

And the only reason for that is you haven’t taken enough of my money?

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Post by xkde » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 9:52 PM UTC

xkde wrote: post #156

brookhaven_dude wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not "stealing"

What would you call 9 people in a group of ten voting to take away the tenth guy’s stuff because they wanted to? I call it what it is - stealing. Greed. Envy. Interestingly, it will probably lead to more equality; it just won’t be what you’re expecting and I don’t think you’ll like the result. At this point though, the people probably deserve to get what they want and get it good and hard.

> Except the 10th guy has more stuff than the other 9 combined.

By that logic, you should be made to give everything you have to the people of Congo. Since when is morality determined by the size of one’s wallet?

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Post by VladimirIvanov » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 9:56 PM UTC

chooseaname wrote: post #52

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right! Engineers driving busses; office managers flipping burgers. And the administration dares to call it 'full employment'. Its part of the very wealthy keeping all the money - if nobody has a skilled job, we don't get (much) income, and wealth inequality zooms onward. A better measure of employment would be, how much total payroll is across the country. Per capita if you like. That would tell us how we're doing. N…

> Its part of the very wealthy keeping all the money ... When does it start trickling down Mr Reagan?! When does it start trickling down!?

When corporations stop using stock buybacks as a tax free mechanism to return value to shareholders

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Post by Jugglerofworlds » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 9:58 PM UTC

Nasrudith wrote: post #161

Really I have gotten the impression from my experience that employers tend to be irrationally picky and arbitrary about employees. They dismiss perfectly good canidates for "culture fit" or able to bullshit flatter their ego enough or for not having magical 2-5 years of experience for entry level. Yet if you have them or have a full time job they dogpile you with recruitment attempts - and spend years trying to fill…

God forbid you make a small mistake on a technical interview or don't know the "trick" to answer a leetcode question. Any small mistake is enough to crucify you, and previous employment experience is ignored in favor of basing 100% on technical interviews.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Post by rmrm » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 10:04 PM UTC

cannonedhamster wrote: post #157

pjc50 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Service" roles have been put in a weird state where, because they involve relating to humans, they're difficult to automate. But because they involve doing what you're told, with low room for autonomy and creativity, they're low-status and therefore low paid.

It would be trivial to replace servers, but there's an initial cost investment most restaurants can't afford. The obvious transition is those screens you see popping up everywhere. It's going to be the next step are conveyer belts that deliver the food to your table. Industrial automation already exists for this. Need to send it back open the receptacle click the screen to say what's wrong and your order will come ba…

Except you would need to remodel every exusting restaraunt to have conveyer belts behind false walls. This isnt the next step, it will not happen. Walk up windows for ordering and numbers are already increasing. That is the next step for reducing server numbers.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Post by nickthemagicman » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 10:10 PM UTC

Ironic. I just applied to work at the nytimes and was ghosted by the person I interviewed with.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Post by sdinsn » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 10:13 PM UTC

listenallyall wrote: post #94

intins wrote: post #8

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Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Post by ericmcer » Thu, Oct 31, 2019, 10:18 PM UTC

melvinroest wrote: post #24

I'm honestly experiencing this as a CS grad in the Dutch job market. I find it weird and frustrating. I've noticed why: 1. Companies don't dare to value creativity [1]. University is so liberal and the job market is so the opposite. 2. Most companies can't value a CS degree. The exception is when enough people in the company did a CS degree and that's a lot more rare than I thought. 3. University didn't teach me to f…

One difficulty for new grads is that your CS degree teaches you a skillset that puts you up against an extremely experienced segment of the dev population (Java & C/++ programmers). If you focus on something more modern and nuanced like modern iOS dev or modern frontend dev you are going to be competing with people who can't have more than a few years experience just by default.