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Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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It's not simply partisan-ness. It's specifically pro-authoritarian, anti-immigrant. It's saying it's okay to inflict child abuse on non-citizens as a deterrent against lawbreaking. And a whole bunch of other things.

If separating children from their parents (who have committed a crime) is "child abuse", then our government is responsible for a whole lot of abuse. It's not clear what this has to do with ICE specifically.

Applying for asylum is not a crime.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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What an absurd thing to believe.

There are concentration camps on the southern US border.

Every country has concentration camps then. Not a single country is so relaxed about illegal immigration. EU dumps asylum seekers on Greek Islands. Or what are these perfect countries that accept everyone unconditionally?

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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I also have to wonder what percentage of GitHub’s employees _are_ non-US citizens. Every programming job I’ve ever had in the U.S. was for a company that was staffed by at least 90% foreigners; if they see U.S. immigration as an adversary, they may be opposing any contract on personal grounds.

Even if a significant portion of GitHub's employees are non-US citizens, it's highly unlikely they're illegals.

So? Smart people can figure out that they can be made "illegal" by the stroke of a pen, even if they've complied with every rule they've encountered so far.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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I cannot find in your quotes or the article where it says they are giving them the product for free. One of your quotes mentions a $56k payment.

That's based on https://github.blog/2019-10-09-github-and-us-government-deve... : > We will donate $500,000—in excess of the value of the purchase by ICE—to nonprofit organizations working to support immigrant communities targeted by the current administration. The Social Impact team will get Hubber input on which nonprofits can provide the most impact for migrants, to be supported via this donation. In the past, we’…

Not just that -- github is now PAYING to support ICE. They're actively engaging in whitewashing. it's a corporate bet to them to continue supporting ICE.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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> IBM was also leaving out politics when they built custom tabulating machines to help Nazi Germany's logistics. Yes. If IBM built something that helped the government during the Obama administration, would you consider it "political" too?

For my part - yes. I think it's fine for companies to be political. I am totally supportive of this, and I don't think it's possible for a large company to be apolitical in a meaningful sense. (Many of the largest internet companies are founded on the belief that uncensored sharing of information is a good thing, which is definitely a political stance.) I think we should admit that, and then say, it's okay for GitHub…

I don't think it's meant to be deceptive. When companies say they're being apolitical, they don't normally mean they're attempting some careful calibration where nothing they do is relevant to any political cause. They just mean they don't want to participate in political battles.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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It seems that these kinds of demands are becoming more common. Is it because conflict resolution is becoming a dying art, is it because people don't rise to the level of maturity of past times? I just find it to be confusing. Non PW link: https://archive.ph/IkYQ3

> conflict resolution is becoming a dying art

Conflict escalation is a deliberate choice by those in charge. Such as ICE.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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It's not simply partisan-ness. It's specifically pro-authoritarian, anti-immigrant. It's saying it's okay to inflict child abuse on non-citizens as a deterrent against lawbreaking. And a whole bunch of other things.

If separating children from their parents (who have committed a crime) is "child abuse", then our government is responsible for a whole lot of abuse. It's not clear what this has to do with ICE specifically.

Your argument is pretty bad, but also, have you heard of prison abolitionism? It's a thing. We don't need the carceral state. The US prison system in its current form is a monster, arguing anything different can only be done from ignorance.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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It's not simply partisan-ness. It's specifically pro-authoritarian, anti-immigrant. It's saying it's okay to inflict child abuse on non-citizens as a deterrent against lawbreaking. And a whole bunch of other things.

If separating children from their parents (who have committed a crime) is "child abuse", then our government is responsible for a whole lot of abuse. It's not clear what this has to do with ICE specifically.

do you separate children for jaywalking? or littering? because that's what the "crime" of "being illegal" amounts to. it's a misdemeanor.

so the next time you get caught speeding or get a parking ticket, remember that they could have taken your kids and sold them into sexual slavery. have a good day.

Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Oh BS. It’s clearly apparent over the last few election cycles that if your side does something, “it’s unfortunate, but we’re trying to fix it” and if the other side does something “they are horrible people who are monsters”. It comes down to nothing more than scoring political points.

I'm curious what side you perceive standardUser to be on. They are making the case that this wasn't acceptable under the Obama administration either to younger generations, but they lacked the political power and voice to do anything about it. Voice and political power that they are now finding as they age into voting enfranchisement and build political action blocs.

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Re: GitHub tries to quell employee anger over its ICE contract

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Children are generally not separated from their parents when their parents commit non-violent minor offenses Children are separated from parents every damn day in cases of neglect or endangerment. Hell, we get CPS involved when a kid is left unattended in a car or alone at home, or even if a home is dangerously unkempt. Dragging children across two thousand miles of desert and multiple borders (where many die en rout…

When CPS gets involved, do we then keep the kid in a cold warehouse inside a fenced off pen, leave them to sleep on the floor with a space blanket, give them antipsychotics to sedate them, fail to provide them with soap and toothpaste so they become ill? Further, fail to keep records so they may never see their parents again? This is literally what's happened to thousands of children. We don't know exactly how many.…

anyone who thinks this is ok is inhumane. not surprising to see so many black-and-white people here though. "crime means you forfeit all rights forever and ever no matter how petty" is such a shitty, petty way to live life.
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