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Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Agreed, especially considering 1 in 6 millennials have $100k saved. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/05/1-in-6-millennials-have-1000...

Great, now they just need to save another $200k and they'll have the down payment on a median priced home!

You can find places for under $1M even in sf, and you don’t necessarily need 20% down for a first time homeowner

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

#92
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The biggest offenders are those colleges (the majority) that offered people who could not afford them debt-financed liberal arts degrees that are essentially unemployable outside the absolutely tiny number who end up employed in academia or maybe think tanks and non-profits. I'm not saying such degrees or programs shouldn't exist. I'm saying that if colleges cared about students' life outcomes they would be up front…

I'm sure the professors are keeping things hush-hush because it's the future of their own career. It's in their best interest to bring people in. Everyone in the process has skin in the game and they all want more students in the program. I feel like the universities/colleges should have mandatory 3rd party career specialists consult with students, in the students best interests.

Yes, that would be good.

I guess part of the issue is that I think of a university as a public interest institution that should be looking out for the students, not a purely for-profit institution looking to monetize the students.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Right! Engineers driving busses; office managers flipping burgers. And the administration dares to call it 'full employment'. Its part of the very wealthy keeping all the money - if nobody has a skilled job, we don't get (much) income, and wealth inequality zooms onward. A better measure of employment would be, how much total payroll is across the country. Per capita if you like. That would tell us how we're doing. N…

I don’t know any engineers driving busses (or the equivalent). The company I’m working for is currently looking for a lot of new ones, too.

They may not be driving busses, but from what I've heard people like Electrical engineers and some others often have difficulty finding work.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

#95

You can work, but you can't afford housing, healthcare or education. This is the disastrous consequence of re-inflating another asset bubble after 2008-2009 with a decade of zero interest rates and a doubling of the national debt. The wealth inequality between capital and labor is the direct cause of political volatility globally.

In the sort run, sure, low interest rates make the assets of the rich more valuable, at least on paper. In the long run though, low interest rates push against wealth inequality. People who have more money than they need collect interest, people who need a loan to get an education or buy a house pay interest.

Also, it doesn't seem plausible that an asset bubble is the reason healthcare is expensive.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

#96
post #68

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High GPAs count against you. That has been my experience.

How does that work? "Oh, you have a high GPA, clearly you're too theoretical." I have no clue.

Yes. Also, you are a nerd with poor social skills.

People are also intimidated and see you as a liability.

I was actively told this while studying.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

#97
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I'm honestly experiencing this as a CS grad in the Dutch job market. I find it weird and frustrating. I've noticed why: 1. Companies don't dare to value creativity [1]. University is so liberal and the job market is so the opposite. 2. Most companies can't value a CS degree. The exception is when enough people in the company did a CS degree and that's a lot more rare than I thought. 3. University didn't teach me to f…

I think 1. companies are burned out with CS grads who simply can't code 2. companies are burned out from new employees just learning the job and then jump somewhere else and 3. companies are looking to on-board you as fast as possible. A few problems you should be working on: > nobody cares that I fast-tracked > in terms of crystalized intelligence > But my portfolio is rather terrible > compared to what I'm capable…

It might be true. I diagnosed it today. I had it in high school with mathematics as well. I wouldn't learn it at all and then scrape by with a 55%. And I have the same with programming.

I think I only respect things that truly seem not learnable or understandable. Anything that I can learn, I lose some respect for, because I can just use my brain and it'll be mine.

But today I told myself that's a dangerous attitude to have, because it completely devalues the fact to do a job well, which is a skill in itself.

But another part is the security courses I did at my university. When you're performing rowhammer, meltdown and all those type of things, then a lot of other forms of programming feel a lot easier. There's a ton of stuff in programming that I have a lot of respect for but CRUD apps isn't one of them. Concurrency, compilers, algorithms, AI at the PhD level or security (not a comprehensive list), those things are actually tough.

With that said, thanks for stating so clearly that you think I'm overconfident. I hope to find out ASAP if this is true.

How would I find it out?

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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post #60

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I don’t know any engineers driving busses (or the equivalent). The company I’m working for is currently looking for a lot of new ones, too.

They may not be driving busses, but from what I've heard people like Electrical engineers and some others often have difficulty finding work.

An additional complication is availability of work may be concentrating in fewer geographic regions. There very well may be a shortage of engineers for engineering jobs, but not in the same place. And yet another complication is the perception of long term security of available jobs might be less than before, so moving for one is not an easy decision.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

#99

I'm honestly experiencing this as a CS grad in the Dutch job market. I find it weird and frustrating. I've noticed why: 1. Companies don't dare to value creativity [1]. University is so liberal and the job market is so the opposite. 2. Most companies can't value a CS degree. The exception is when enough people in the company did a CS degree and that's a lot more rare than I thought. 3. University didn't teach me to f…

Maybe some of these companies see DoodleDocs and wonder if you'd be a bad fit for a CRUD type position? Like, you've already gone beyond a lot of those basic needs, so why would you "step down" to a CRUD job?

Dont "CRUD" jobs make up a large majority of the jobs for software developers?

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

#100
post #66

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I think 1. companies are burned out with CS grads who simply can't code 2. companies are burned out from new employees just learning the job and then jump somewhere else and 3. companies are looking to on-board you as fast as possible. A few problems you should be working on: > nobody cares that I fast-tracked > in terms of crystalized intelligence > But my portfolio is rather terrible > compared to what I'm capable…

Agreed. I thought I was a really good programmer leaving university. Now I know I was useless the first 3 years. I only became someone I would consider hiring now after 5-7 years.

I don't think I'm a really good programmer. I just think I'm capable of CRUD. I have a friend who thought he was a really good programmer because he worked on clang and created LLVM extensions and stuff and knows a lot about C++.

He came back from that a little, not much, but a little.

I wonder how you were useless and why you couldn't see that beforehand. Because I would like to be capable of diagnosing whether I'd be useless for the first 3 years.

As in: what am I not seeing?

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