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Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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>nearly 40 percent of Americans, a Federal Reserve report found, are in such a financially precarious state that they say they would have trouble finding $400 for an unexpected expense like a car repair or a medical bill. This has got to be the most repeated statistic in reporting on hardship, but the actual responses seem way less dire: https://twitter.com/p_millerd/status/1118071142311288838?lan...

Good on him for digging into it, but his conclusion is not much more cheery than the 40% statistic he is bashing. His conclusion: most of those 40% would be able to borrow money to cover an unexpected $400 expense, and only 14% of all people truly would be unable to meet a $400 obligation.

That is still a damn scary statistic that still illustrates how close to the edge so many people live.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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>say they cannot find jobs that provide a middle-class income and don’t come with an expiration date. Unemployment numbers don't measure quality. We have tons of available jobs, but low quality. And/or the people looking for jobs don't have the skills required for high quality jobs. Edit: Here's an income quintile graph from 2016 that shows quality of jobs (scroll down): https://www.cbo.gov/publication/55413

Right! Engineers driving busses; office managers flipping burgers. And the administration dares to call it 'full employment'. Its part of the very wealthy keeping all the money - if nobody has a skilled job, we don't get (much) income, and wealth inequality zooms onward. A better measure of employment would be, how much total payroll is across the country. Per capita if you like. That would tell us how we're doing. N…

Somewhat ironic since we were told in no uncertain terms that automation would cause the exact opposite to happen.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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I'm honestly experiencing this as a CS grad in the Dutch job market. I find it weird and frustrating. I've noticed why: 1. Companies don't dare to value creativity [1]. University is so liberal and the job market is so the opposite. 2. Most companies can't value a CS degree. The exception is when enough people in the company did a CS degree and that's a lot more rare than I thought. 3. University didn't teach me to f…

Maybe some of these companies see DoodleDocs and wonder if you'd be a bad fit for a CRUD type position? Like, you've already gone beyond a lot of those basic needs, so why would you "step down" to a CRUD job?

Good point: I do have a hard time communicating why I'm fine with a CRUD position. Because sometimes I think things are self-evident, when they're not and then I poorly communicate them.

One of the reasons is: when you look at my resume (I'm Googleable), I am simply just starting out. And just doing the grind for 2 or more years would ground me in what I've experienced the past 8 years during my studies and jobs I did while studying.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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In my region the government employment office likes to state that there are tens of thousands of IT vacancies but these numbers are misleading. It's actually a form of ghost liquidity. The same job at one company is advertised by different recruitment agencies, and multiple companies are bidding on the same contract with the same client. At the end of the day it's the same work that gets done by the same person, the intermediaries take their cut, and you are stuck upgrading some old software under the auspice of digital transformation.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

#35
"the stunningly low official unemployment rate of 3.5 percent, the lowest in a half-century. Working even one hour during the week when the Labor Department does its employment survey keeps you out of the jobless category."

Aha. Re-define what 'job' means, problem solved.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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>nearly 40 percent of Americans, a Federal Reserve report found, are in such a financially precarious state that they say they would have trouble finding $400 for an unexpected expense like a car repair or a medical bill. This has got to be the most repeated statistic in reporting on hardship, but the actual responses seem way less dire: https://twitter.com/p_millerd/status/1118071142311288838?lan...

14% is still ~35 million adults. That's still a problem. And yes it's better than it was right after the global financial crisis, but this boom is not going to last forever. Our economic policies and policy makers are too busy sticking their heads in the sand.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

#37
One of these days, I want to take a year off to see how hard it is to find an actual job de novo, with no experience. I see so many trade schools and apprenticeship programs that its hard for me not to think that people just arent looking hard enough or in the right places.

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

#38

>nearly 40 percent of Americans, a Federal Reserve report found, are in such a financially precarious state that they say they would have trouble finding $400 for an unexpected expense like a car repair or a medical bill. This has got to be the most repeated statistic in reporting on hardship, but the actual responses seem way less dire: https://twitter.com/p_millerd/status/1118071142311288838?lan...

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Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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our labor force participation rate hasn't recovered since the recession. 65.7% participation rate in september of 2009 compared to 63.2% today. look at the official data yourself: https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/surveymost?ln

the "low" unemployment is a result of nearly-unemployed people working small jobs which aren't enough to cover their basic needs rather than a genuinely improving economic situation. remember: 5% unemployment is normal and ideal because it representes structural unemployment plus the churn of people moving from job to job. we're lower than that now, which means that either our metric is not reflecting the scenario (as i believe) or that the fundamental amount of churn and structural unemployment has decreased, which i think nobody will try to argue.

the people knocked out of the labor force in 2009 have had an extremely difficult time getting back in, and the jobs they occupied have been destroyed permanently by the looks of it. in other words, while unemployment is very low, compared to then, the economy either has 2-3% fewer open jobs compared to the number of jobseekers (who may be employed), or employers are substantially more reluctant to take on new employees when those employees are not already participants in the labor force. or both.

there's two additional problems here. the first is that employers are unwilling to give unemployed and marginally employed workers a shot because they're tainted. this is especially true in "professional" and "high quality" jobs. the second additional problem is that middle-class people tend to hold out for a "good job" rather than taking any job which they could reasonably do, like waiting tables etc. knowing this, employers often refuse to take these people for those roles...

Re: Lots of Job Hunting, but No Job, Despite Low Unemployment

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>nearly 40 percent of Americans, a Federal Reserve report found, are in such a financially precarious state that they say they would have trouble finding $400 for an unexpected expense like a car repair or a medical bill. This has got to be the most repeated statistic in reporting on hardship, but the actual responses seem way less dire: https://twitter.com/p_millerd/status/1118071142311288838?lan...

Good on him for digging into it, but his conclusion is not much more cheery than the 40% statistic he is bashing. His conclusion: most of those 40% would be able to borrow money to cover an unexpected $400 expense, and only 14% of all people truly would be unable to meet a $400 obligation. That is still a damn scary statistic that still illustrates how close to the edge so many people live.

His conclusion: most of those >40% would be able to borrow money to cover an unexpected $400 expense, and only 14% of all people truly would be unable to meet a $400 obligation.

That's pretty much exactly how I interpreted the original.

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