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Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability

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Re: Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability

#101

Question: A private jet is obviously bad for the environment, but how does a propeller plane compare carbon-wise to driving a car the same distance?

A typical single engine piston plane might fly at 130kts burning 10 gallons of aviation fuel (100LL) per hour. Or, roughly 15 statute miles per gallon. More efficient options are available on modern planes. Most of the fleet is old though.

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#102
post #75

This is a seriously impressive bit of software engineering. It seems as simple as "push a button" to the layman but what happens when: There is a thunderstorm between the airport and the runway The nearest runway is closed due to a blizzard There is a mountain between the normal 3-degree glide-slope and the runway, an "offset approach" There is a 40-knot crosswind You have an engine out That's just a few, I'm a comme…

From https://www.piper.com/model/m600sls/ "The routing algorithm determines a path to the Final Approach Fix (FAF) of the chosen published approach that avoids terrain, obstacles, and significant weather." That handles all of your contingencies except an engine failure. If you have an engine failure and a pilot who can't dead-stick a landing you're probably screwed. But you're still no worse off in that case than you…

I disagree with that. You might now be a pilot who has lost his experience in how to land an airplane and so will do a much worse job of it compounded by the emergency situation. Every landing is also training.

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#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what some of the new "fully automated" semi-truck companies are doing. Remote truckers in an office, similar to a UAV drone pilot.

When a truck (or a train) can't see what to do on its own, it can brake to a full stop and remain motionless until a human intervenes. Cell network crashed? Mountain in the way of the transmitter? Somebody stepped on the cable? Whatever it is, most problems will be averted by just always braking to a halt and waiting. This is not an option in a plane. If it was, this technology wouldn't be needed - if the pilot is in…

A plane entering an ad-hoc holding circle is much less of a risk to its peers than a ground vehicle coming to a stop on the open road.

Re: Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability

#104

Question: A private jet is obviously bad for the environment, but how does a propeller plane compare carbon-wise to driving a car the same distance?

A typical single engine piston plane might fly at 130kts burning 10 gallons of aviation fuel (100LL) per hour. Or, roughly 15 statute miles per gallon. More efficient options are available on modern planes. Most of the fleet is old though.

Maybe the best case scenario is a small modern plane flying a Rotax 912, making about 24 mpg on standard auto fuel.

Re: Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability

#105
post #64

Does this aircraft have LIDAR or cameras? Wondering how it works with other air traffic and potential collisions. This is one of the biggest challenges for self-driving cars and I can't see any details about this in the Garmin G3000

In an emergency, all the other traffic will be cleared out of the way.

Re: Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability

#106
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From https://www.piper.com/model/m600sls/ "The routing algorithm determines a path to the Final Approach Fix (FAF) of the chosen published approach that avoids terrain, obstacles, and significant weather." That handles all of your contingencies except an engine failure. If you have an engine failure and a pilot who can't dead-stick a landing you're probably screwed. But you're still no worse off in that case than you…

I disagree with that. You might now be a pilot who has lost his experience in how to land an airplane and so will do a much worse job of it compounded by the emergency situation. Every landing is also training.

Yes, that true, but this autoland system is not intended for routine use. It's for emergencies only.

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#107

Maybe a coincidence, but Cirrus Aircraft announced their SafeReturn Emergency Autoland on their Vision Jet series today as well [0]. Looks pretty impressive. A passenger can just press one button on the roof behind the pilot, and the aircraft will send a distress signal, re-route and autoland the aircraft at the nearest airport (including terrain and weather avoidance) and also convert all screens on board to inform…

FWIW Cirrus also has a Cirrus Airframe Parachute System that is standard in all models.

Re: Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability

#108
Cirrus announced their version of this yesterday for their Cirrus Jet, they are calling the feature Safe Return. Also incorporates 7700, TAWS escape, wind check, pax 121.5 simplified radio controls, everything.

https://cirrusaircraft.com/cirrus-aircraft-revolutionizes-pa...

Re: Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability

#109
post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with that. You might now be a pilot who has lost his experience in how to land an airplane and so will do a much worse job of it compounded by the emergency situation. Every landing is also training.

Yes, that true, but this autoland system is not intended for routine use. It's for emergencies only.

Ah, 'you' being 'the passenger and/or the incapacitated pilot' rather than the regular and healthy variety of pilot. Ok, now I understand your comment. Thank you for clarifying.

Re: Piper Announces First GA Aircraft with Autoland Capability

#110

This is a seriously impressive bit of software engineering. It seems as simple as "push a button" to the layman but what happens when: There is a thunderstorm between the airport and the runway The nearest runway is closed due to a blizzard There is a mountain between the normal 3-degree glide-slope and the runway, an "offset approach" There is a 40-knot crosswind You have an engine out That's just a few, I'm a comme…

Question: how close are we to totally self-flying planes? I feel like we could easily get there before we got self-driving cars, if we wanted to. Would the costs for short hops be comparable to a commercial airplane ticket? Because it would be awesome to charter small flights from an app to jump to a nearby city.

We've had truly autonomous long-range flight since 1998 with the RQ-4A Global Hawk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_RQ-4_Global_H...

A couple highlights from the Records section:

> On 24 April 2001, a Global Hawk flew non-stop from Edwards AFB to RAAF Base Edinburgh in Australia, making history by being the first pilotless aircraft to cross the Pacific Ocean. The flight took 22 hours, and set a world record for absolute distance flown by a UAV, 13,219.86 kilometers (8,214.44 mi).[97]

> On 22 March 2008, a Global Hawk set the endurance record for full-scale, operational uncrewed aircraft UAVs by flying for 33.1 hours at altitudes up to 60,000 feet over Edwards AFB.[98]

Unlike Predator/Reaper/etc. drones, the Global Hawk is autonomous, there is no pilot sitting in a faux-cockpit stateside.

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