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I Miss the Old Internet

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Re: I Miss the Old Internet

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Curious but why do you qualify HN as semi social?

Not OP, but personally I definitely view HN as a comment board that points to links as a way to drive discussion as opposed to a news site that allows comments. Probably not how it is normally described, but it's definitely how I use it.

Agreed. That's how I use it too.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet

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Maybe someone could take inspiration from Blizzard and create a "Classic Internet" ;)

Chrome has been sort of working on disabling or not showing http sites - it's already marked as insecure, so you might think you're joking, but I kind of believe that we'll see 2 internets very soon: one of http/non http-2 https, the other on some google abomination JSON-LD schema over HTTP3/brotli, only working with "modern" frontend/social media.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet

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"I Miss the Old Internet" - an article about another website WITHOUT LINKING THERE. Congratulations, you've played yourself. What's murdering the old internet is the lack of links. Everyone is posting screenshots, twitter/facebook/etc all hijack links, and we're surprised we can't find the sites. Link to eachother. That's why it used to work.

This. Also, make sure you have an RSS feed on your site. RSS helps people get back to your site for new content later on.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet

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post #236

"I Miss the Old Internet" - an article about another website WITHOUT LINKING THERE. Congratulations, you've played yourself. What's murdering the old internet is the lack of links. Everyone is posting screenshots, twitter/facebook/etc all hijack links, and we're surprised we can't find the sites. Link to eachother. That's why it used to work.

https://mayvaneday.art/ by the way

Re: I Miss the Old Internet

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post #244
post #236

"I Miss the Old Internet" - an article about another website WITHOUT LINKING THERE. Congratulations, you've played yourself. What's murdering the old internet is the lack of links. Everyone is posting screenshots, twitter/facebook/etc all hijack links, and we're surprised we can't find the sites. Link to eachother. That's why it used to work.

This. Also, make sure you have an RSS feed on your site. RSS helps people get back to your site for new content later on.

Even Firefox dropped it's built-in RSS support by now, so for the current September generation, this is meaningless, unfortunately. Still, as infrastructure, it's very important, because it's simple to transform RSS into other formats: JSON feed, h-feed[^1], etc.

As for how to "follow" (I'd prefer to use subscribe instead) a personal site these days, it's a hard problem, reasonably well documented here: https://indieweb.org/follow

There is a current effort, called microsub[^2] to tackle the problem, but it's new, and is not user friendly enough at all.

Alternatively you can make your site compatible with services like https://fed.brid.gy/ and people on fediverse[^3] instances will be able to follow it.

Trouble with these: all of them require some (ranging from install wordpress plugins to write your own service) technical knowledge, and therefore contributions to solving them and making them more accessible, are more, than welcome.

[^1]: http://www.unmung.com/

[^2]: https://indieweb.org/Microsub

[^3]: https://fediverse.network/

Re: I Miss the Old Internet

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post #245
post #236

"I Miss the Old Internet" - an article about another website WITHOUT LINKING THERE. Congratulations, you've played yourself. What's murdering the old internet is the lack of links. Everyone is posting screenshots, twitter/facebook/etc all hijack links, and we're surprised we can't find the sites. Link to eachother. That's why it used to work.

https://mayvaneday.art/ by the way

Not the point; typing the quoted text in duckduckgo gave me the url. The problem that what makes the web a web is glue between the components: the links. Without that, there's no web or net.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet

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Glad that you've found useful sections. I've always found reddit to be this generation's ExpertsExchange, based on quality of content. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places.

That would be Quora! But I agree, Reddit has pretty poor quality discussions, sometimes with as little depth as most Facebook comments.

This might just be my experience, but I've found Quora to be of extremely poor quality questions/answers with a few outliers. Reddit on the other hand seems to have both good answers and people just horsing around, but not as much astro-turfing as I find on Quora answers.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet

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> Don't use any javascript frontends. I'm struggling to find the connection between a Javascript front end and content that has (to quote the article posted) "the voice of individuals"

If you use the same JS frontend as everyone else it isn't very individual and form constrains content. The reason people use JS frontends is because they're at work being paid to do it. Time and the ability for your coworkers to contribute matters. You don't have to bring these compromises forced on you at work to home.

>If you use the same JS frontend as everyone else it isn't very individual and form constrains content.

You seem to be confusing the implementation of a site with its content, and assuming that homogeneity of layout corresponds to homogeneity of content. It's an understandable bias to find in a community of programmers and web developers, but it isn't true.

The pages of a book are uniformly sized, generally speaking uniformly colored with one of a very narrow set of fonts and typefaces, spaced and typeset according to an industry standard - and yet this places no constraint at all on the nature of the content that can be displayed within those pages. In the same way, a website rendering content on the frontend rather than the backend is an implementation detail which has nothing to do with what content is rendered.

And even in the 90s, many sites looked similar. Rather than having standard templates focused around typography, people just copied what other sites were doing, using the same table-based layouts with black backgrounds and GIFS, and none of that necessarily made the content any better than what exists today.

Re: I Miss the Old Internet

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I don't miss the days when you had to physically send a paper form with a cheque or postal order, go to a bank, wait 28 days for things to be delivered, stand in line at a post office, or phone someone up to get mundane stuff done. Can you imagine sorting out car insurance quotes or booking flights/hotels or doing your tax return without the internet? What a ballache! The modern internet has been utterly transformati…

>postal order >a bank >stand in line at a post office >car insurance quotes >booking flights/hotels >tax return These conveniences you cite of the modern internet all feel like they help the other side of the relationship even more than they help you. Imagine how much the airlines, banks, tax collectors, and insurance companies love the modern internet, making it all the more convenient for you to interact with their…

How does that change anything? The amount of ease of use you get from the internet is not zero-sum; everyone benefits from it.

Calling the internet "cable television as a service" is ignoring the incredible reach and user-friendliness of the modern internet, and all the advantages that come from that. Nostalgia is okay, but that doesn't change the fact that the current internet brings a lot more information to a lot more people, albeit with differing quality. It has absolutely changed humanity for the better, and is orders of magnitude more transformative than what you seem to be calling old internet.

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