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Early Retirement May Speed Up Cognitive Decline: Study

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Re: Early Retirement May Speed Up Cognitive Decline: Study

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To be fair, working with text is really hard on mobile and has regressed a long way from general purpose computers like the pc. To undo you have to shake the fucking thing, and text selection takes time and patience (if you can select the text at all!)

I don’t know how many times I’ve been frustrated at my iphone for not having any way to undo. Who thougt this was a good idea? There was a thread the other day about obscure iphone commands, but this takes the shaking cake.

I feel less dumb for not being the only one who didn't know this.

Re: Early Retirement May Speed Up Cognitive Decline: Study

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Your chart seems to indicate software development related intelligence peaks somewhere between 40-60. Given this, why do software companies like young people so much?

To steal from patio11, an employment contract is both payment for current services and also an option on future services-- hiring people is hard, and you want to keep them around.[1] A 60 year old is less valuable since they're more likely to retire than a 30 year old. 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21177759

Most places treat employees like crap, or structure compensation so that you need to bounce between places.

As to why old people, higher skill levels in many cases.

Re: Early Retirement May Speed Up Cognitive Decline: Study

#143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your chart seems to indicate software development related intelligence peaks somewhere between 40-60. Given this, why do software companies like young people so much?

To steal from patio11, an employment contract is both payment for current services and also an option on future services-- hiring people is hard, and you want to keep them around.[1] A 60 year old is less valuable since they're more likely to retire than a 30 year old. 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21177759

That would matter if people in software didn’t move so frequently to other jobs.

Re: Early Retirement May Speed Up Cognitive Decline: Study

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Anecdote: My grandma retired in her 60's, she is now 102. She used to own a bar, in France (you can imagine the secondhand smoke, back in the 60-70's). She is mentally sharp, although the last couple of years, she is napping more. Vision (always had issue) and hearing (super annoying now) are declining, but memory is still here, and with hearing aid, the conversation is fine (if you do not mind repeating sometimes).

So got retired for about 4 decades now (she lost my grandpa at the same time, it is crazy she lived ~40 years with him, and ~40 years without him). Even though she was not "working" (i.e. for a salary) in the past 40 years, she always kept herself busy, taking care of her house until 2 years ago when she went to assisted living place (not ideal, but it was becoming too dangerous for her to stay by herself past 100 years old). She like to do stationary bike until her 90's.

Her daughter (now 82 yo) has some sort of Alzheimer, and does not have any short memory or facial recognition. Strangely enough she does have very old memories that looks current to her e.g. she warned us that we need to hide from the Germans... second world war trauma I guess, but interesting how it is still in her memory, when she cannot remember what she ate for lunch. So, for a while like until 5 years ago, my grandma (97yo at the time) was taking care of my aunty (77yo at the time), and was schooling her to make here remember of things. That was weird to witness... My aunty retired in her 60's too, did not exercise more than normal, but was always active maintaining a large house after her 5 kids left home. She worked in a hair salon for about 50 years (started at 16yo). I always wondered if hair products (ammonia, spray, etc.) did not play a role in the current situation.

I have no idea how much exercise can slow down the decline, but there is more than just exercise. Clearly I would put my grandma as a "fighter" spirit person. She was born in an extremely poor family (alcohol issue, ending her as an orphan), in Brest, France which was where the Spanish flu started in Europe, in 1918 (she was one year old). She is a tough cookie, in a frail body. She is short and always been kinda skinny, probably the result of malnutrition in her early years. But yet, here she is a century later. To be fair, she is a bit tired to be around, and see everyone around her either die or getting some sort of Alzheimer. Now she is friend with her kids friends, since all of her generation friends are not there anymore. It is kinda cute to see her talking to my dad's childhood friends who are in their 70's or 80's now, recalling some mischiefs that happened 60 or 70 years ago.

Re: Early Retirement May Speed Up Cognitive Decline: Study

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Correlation is not causation.

Brain volume by age: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316307676/figure/fi... Various forms of intelligence by age: https://miro.medium.com/max/1038/1*ccb0bgIqgebwJWTdMGMXXQ.pn... If this correlation isn't causation, then I'm not sure what is.

Age causes brain volume decline and intelligence loss, like distance causes tiredness in marathon runners. i.e. it can't cause anything, it's an abstract measurement - age doesn't cause rust, oxidation does. Distance doesn't cause tiredness, running does.

Increasing age and increasing decline can't mean that age causes decline, it shows one or more of: processes which cause decline keep happening, repair processes either don't happen or get worse, new generation either doesn't happen or gets worse.

(If worms were eating your brain, your brain volume would go down and your intelligence would go down as time passed and your age increased, it wouldn't prove that age caused your intelligence loss. Correlation isn't causation).

Re: Early Retirement May Speed Up Cognitive Decline: Study

#148

Not only early retirement but any kind of retirement that gets the retiree in a mode that they don't have to try anymore will result in cognitive decline. I am seeing this in my dad who has been retired for ten years now. Throughout his work life he was a sharp hard working banker. Now he uses his age and retirement as an excuse for not trying. Just yesterday he wanted me to order something for him from Amazon. I tol…

Or maybe he always had assistants to do most of that for him at work and now that he's retired he doesn't have that anymore so he's reaching out to you? Anecdotal evidence is dangerous.

Re: Early Retirement May Speed Up Cognitive Decline: Study

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Pierre Bourdieu would put into perspective notions of work/activity and retirement. So he was interviewing if I recall people from North Africa, some were used to western industrial work and others not. (He wasn’t aware of that yet) He asked them if they worked lately. Those who knew industrial work said no or partly and the others yes. He asked both groups what they did during their typical working days. The « no/pa…

What does that say about heavy Internet users and how they're going to age?

They will argue endlessly on twitter & HN equivalents and maybe resolve an argument or two.

Re: Early Retirement May Speed Up Cognitive Decline: Study

#150

Not only early retirement but any kind of retirement that gets the retiree in a mode that they don't have to try anymore will result in cognitive decline. I am seeing this in my dad who has been retired for ten years now. Throughout his work life he was a sharp hard working banker. Now he uses his age and retirement as an excuse for not trying. Just yesterday he wanted me to order something for him from Amazon. I tol…

I guess this is why you should work less hard and do more to cultivate hobbies. I can’t imagine retiring and doing nothing. So many projects.

It's very hard with depression, but work is also hard with depression, though getting some stuff done is much easier with an actual job. Tried some woodworking stuff but it requires a lot of learning and patience. But I guess a lot of hobbies don't require that sort of effort, ie hiking. But you sort of need some sort of social contacts to encourage activity. It seems very easy to just stagnate in loneliness while consuming media these days.
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