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Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by RachelF »

cc81 wrote: post #166
moltensodium wrote: post #107

Yeah, outside of Lee Harvey Oswald this guy was the most important prisoner in the history of the USA. The fact that he just "suicided" in prison and we're all supposed to move on and share links about suicide awareness is utter nonsense. If the corporate media doesn't get to the bottom of this then someone else will, it's just a matter of time. Everyone is so tired of being lied to by authority figures.

What if it just was a suicide? If he had dirt on people would he not arrange so it would be sent out in case of his death? Especially if there was a failed murder attempt just weeks before? And what stops the victims of naming names now? And what would have stopped Epstein of just not talking and just denying?

>And what stops the victims of naming names now? They might be murdered.

The model who exposed Silvio Berlusconi's rape of her and the "bunga-banga" parties was poisoned with polonium.

https://apnews.com/e7dd3bb17f3e41e297c0ee401d5eae48

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by dmix »

malvosenior wrote: post #306
dmix wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you, the way people bring out the pitchforks merely over guilt-by-association is one of the worst parts of social media. I swear we're going to have to relearn all of the lessons we learned over the centuries of developing civil society, all in the name of some strange utopian perfectionism we're putting on every popular person. Mob justice is rarely good justice.

There are obviously times when mob justice goes too far. I do not think Epstein is one of those cases. He was a sex trafficker for the rich and powerful. His associates should be investigated and their attempts to get the media to bury the story should be pointed out.

I wasn't talking about you per se or even Gates alone, so please don't take it as a personal attack. There's plenty of examples of people taking this guilt-by-association stuff way too far. A popular one is when politicians take a photo with an unsavoury character, even though they took a hundred that night alone, and the media spins it like their buddies.

The Gates case is more complicated, as you mentioned, but the general trend is worrying and I personally wouldn't public tell people I met with Epstein either.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by shoes_for_thee »

partiallypro wrote: post #236
goatinaboat wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plenty of sources for this e.g. https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mc... There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility. Between the floor and the ceiling is like 8 or 9 feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything. You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen.

The very fact that his article says he was on suicide watch (he wasn't) makes its entire claim wrong. That's the entire premise of the article...you get very thin sheets while on suicide watch (sometimes they even take them away.) Of course he wasn't on suicide watch and had normal sheets.

This interview always bothered me because the author seems to think that hanging yourself necessarily involves hanging from a ceiling...

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by malvosenior »

topmonk wrote: post #356
rubbingalcohol wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, both cameras that watched the cell and hallway outside it had "technical difficulties" and there was no recoverable footage around the time of Epstein's death.

The camera showing the hallway outside his cell was working, and showed no one leaving or entering during the time period of his death.

Do you have a source for that, because I've only ever heard that the camera outside his cell did not provide usable footage.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by throwaway743 »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #128
claudeganon wrote: post #36

Epstein’s death seems the most overt taunt about ruling class impunity in my lifetime. Not only in its circumstances, but in the kind of shifting, threadbare cover stories about everyone with whom he was associated. Bill Gates, for example, had staff overlap between his foundation and Epstein, (including one who was named in Epstein’s will!) and was able to diminish these connections in major media outlets with almos…

Usually very rich people have a strong incentive to hire private firms specialized in minimizing the impact of bad stuff like this, and doing so in a very discreet way. I am 100% speculating, but I'd guess that's what Jeff Bezos did in relation to his extra-marital affair, and what Bill Gates and others have been doing in relation to Epstein.

Might be a stretch, but it was interesting to see that around the time of the MIT Media Lab/Joi Ito and Bill Gates connections to Epstein came out, Netflix happened to have a new Bill Gates documentary front and center shortly after. Iirc it was called something like The Brain of Bill Gates and the trailer seemed to paint a positive image of him (didn't watch/don't want to). Maybe it's been up for a while, but it was definitely the centerpiece upon landing for a bit

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by harry8 »

larrywright wrote: post #220
mistermann wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If he had dirt on people would he not arrange so it would be sent out in case of his death? Considering the circumstances, if you received information from Epstein, what would you do with it? Even if you were brave enough to risk your life in the service of justice, what authority would you even send it to?

Honestly, Glenn Greenwald would probably be where I’d turn to. I’d trust him as a journalist, for sure. There aren’t a ton of them who’ve publicly demonstrated how they handle something of this importance (Woodward and Bernstein are the only other two I can come up with off the top of my head).

Assange - for which I will get hate. He will publish, in full at considerable personal cost. I don't think there are any credible accusations about him doing anything else, ever. You can still hate him for whatever reasons you have and expect him to do just that.

Have you seen Greenwalds thoughts on Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein.

I'm not sure they should still be on that list... Maybe, but there's some doubt. More about them than say Assange, for this purpose which is pretty weird and unexpected to think about.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/28/bob-wo...

https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/11/bob-woodward-sl...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvrSeiG5mJQ

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by pvaldes »

topmonk wrote: post #356
rubbingalcohol wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, both cameras that watched the cell and hallway outside it had "technical difficulties" and there was no recoverable footage around the time of Epstein's death.

The camera showing the hallway outside his cell was working, and showed no one leaving or entering during the time period of his death.

The problem is that many jails are designed with lots of corridors and halls basically identical.

I assume that recording that nothing happened could be as easy as put a number over a different door, (or pick the equivalent door in a different floor), record for a while, stop, remove the number tag, and swap the records.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by RedBeetDeadpool »

FillardMillmore wrote: post #201

The most frustrating part is how blatant and in-your-face the excuses have been and how many media outlets just seem to accept what they're told and run with it without question. Just look at the responses we've been given to various questions (paraphrased, of course): Q: "How could he have committed suicide, wasn't he on suicide watch?" A: "Oh, well he was taken off suicide watch shortly before he committed suicide"…

Seriously, people who think this isn't a cover-up have to think about the other alternative. Lets say you own, even $100 million dollars. A small sum for the wealthy class. Even if you spent a fraction of that money on a hit and cover up, it would be nothing. A few million dollars would be a gamechanger for an ordinary man. I would bet ordering a hit is surprisingly easy and cheap (especially for an uber-wealthy man who routinely pays for child prostitution), and a far likelier outcome than everything you listed happening in tandem. Keep in mind people like these are also usually psychopaths with a complete lack of empathy and it wouldn't trigger anything in them to take any of these actions. There really is nothing stopping them from going back to the store and buying a get out of jail card because they got a little scared.
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