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Re: Twitter to ban political advertising

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I don't agree with every call Twitter makes, but I find Dorsey to be by far the most interesting public figure in the social media game. His two JRE interviews[0][1] and his Tales from the Crypto interview[2] are all worth checking out, IMO. He seems to think Twitter should use a blockchain in the future, and that small social circles should have a system for internally moderating content without needing it to be oka…

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Re: Twitter to ban political advertising

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This is nice that they aren't selling/boosting political ads (though apparently there's no solution for buying bot armies). However I feel that the root of the problem remains unaddressed- a small group of private companies with their own whims and interests is becoming the sole arbiter of speech and public discourse.

Re: Twitter to ban political advertising

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Genuinely impressed by this statement. They seem to have put some real thought into this, and like it or not, they're an advertising company rejecting business for what they see as the greater good. Bravo.

It's also a smart business decision. Avoiding the entire scrutiny and questions of regulation is worth more than the (modest) amounts spent on online political advertising.

Re: Twitter to ban political advertising

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I see a lot of calls here for facebook to follow suit. I run a facebook advertising agency and use their tools every day (including the political advertising tools) and would like to offer some perspective on the potential nuances here.

When I run an ad on facebook, if the ad contains "issues of national importance" that ad is subject to the same rules as political advertising. From facebook, this includes any ads on the following topics:

-civil and social rights

-crime

-economy

-education

-environmental politics

-guns

-health

-immigration

-political values and governance

-security and foreign policy

Some examples of ads that I have run and had personal experience with that would then be banned if facebook enacted a similar ban:

-Ads for any non-profit or charity dealing with the environment. This would include ads raising money to combat de-forestation in the amazon, setting up marine sanctuaries, or ads about drilling rights in the arctic (all ads I have seen recently or worked on creating)

-Any ads about women's rights or reproductive rights. This includes any ad for planned parenthood, or similar organizations. Also includes ads for charities that raise money to support women's rights in other countries.

-Ads for charities raising money to support refugees in Greece. In fact, every ad for every charity that does basically anything would be banned. These charities deal with issues that are inherently political: the environment, reproductive rights, human rights...the list goes on.

So if facebook banned all this advertising on it's platform, what were going to end up with is a situation where the internet (for all intents and purposes, for millions of people "the internet" is essentially facebook) is a place totally devoid of anything that is not a strictly commercial enterprise. Selling T-shirts is ok, raising money for charity is not OK. Maybe this is the boundary we want to collectively set.

Also, saying that this is only for paid reach specifically is not really fair. Paid reach is the only kind of reach that actually exists for all intents and purposes on these platforms. It's a pay to play market.

If you ban all political ads, you are also banning anyone from advertising anything that deals with "issues of national importance" and this will hit charities (and anyone with a message that is not strictly commercial) particularly hard.

We work with personalities who want to sell T-shirts with political messages on them, for example. Those will now be banned. We work with a yoga studio that wants to highlight their commitment to full time employment for their employees. Those ads would be banned. We work with an author who writes about abortion. Ads for her book would be banned.

Is this the kind of platform we want facebook to be? Like it or not, facebook is how millions of people engage with the world. I don't want to live in a society that is so afraid of political speech that we have to ban everything that might hurt us. Let us decide for ourselves what to believe. Are some lies going to get through? Yeah they will. But that's the consequence of allowing more "free speech" on a platform. Facebook is a private company, they can do what they want. They have no obligation to uphold free speech. Personally, I think Mark Zuckerberg understands that banning these things sets a dangerous precedent, and I only hope that he is able to defend his decisions and explain his reasoning.

Because the alternative to allowing some lies to get through in ads is much much worse.

Re: Twitter to ban political advertising

#185

It will be very hard to draw the line between political messages and everything else. Many areas of the market are almost impossible to make non-political ads in (fossil fuels, health insurance, ...)

What are you talking about, most of the advertising in those industries has nothing to do with whatever their lobbyist are doing. It's just menial PR shit like "Save 20% at United Healthcare", or "Work on cutting-edge technology at BP", or "Monsanto now offers consulting services to help you optimize your crop gains". Maybe once in a while they flash some statistic about how diverse their workforce is or whatever but most of it is just generic commercialism.

It's only really in the valley that companies think listing opinions that significant percentages of the country disagree with is a good way to build marketshare.

Re: Twitter to ban political advertising

#186

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> Will they also ban politicians? I don't think they will. 'Politicians ban' will be equivalent to banning free expression, and twitter is against that.

They also say that they don't want money to be giving uneven power to politicians, but that's totally happening without ads.

True, but it's also _very much_ being facilitated by advertising.

Re: Twitter to ban political advertising

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dorsey espouses some very libertarian views and yet he's generally leaning left of course. Still , he s the only one who dares give Trump a megaphone. I think he handles the whole situation exceptionally well.

However shouldn’t the president have a “megaphone?” In the old days, when a president spoke, the media would “interpret” what he said. Politicians being able to speak directly to the population is a good thing.

I like that politicians can speak directly to the media—I just wish orgs like Twitter would apply their rules and guidelines fairly to everyone.

I'm starting to see these "rules" more like "laws," and starting to look more closely at how some of these platforms are governed in the same way I look at how governments are governed:

- Who makes the laws? - How does one become a lawmaker? - How long can one be a lawmaker? - Who enforces the laws? - How strong is the rule of law? - What are the consequences of breaking a law? - etc etc.

How does this analogy sit with you?

Re: Twitter to ban political advertising

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not enough because the true goal of moderation is not to hide content people don't like, but to lock out people the majority of people don't like so they can't communicate or work together to spread their (probably hateful) message. Putting it on a blockchain is abdicating responsibility for any and all content, saying "hey, we just wrote the code, we don't store or propagate any of this ourselves."

Putting it on a blockchain doesn't magically remove responsibility. Twitter would still likely end up hosting that blockchain, since nobody else is going to foot that cost, and then they would still have fully responsibility over it. If they just want to decentralize & use peer-to-peer instead they could also do that, and a blockchain still wouldn't be a useful aspect there. That's just a mailing list.

> Putting it on a blockchain doesn't magically remove responsibility.

I'm still kind of amazed that the government hasn't cracked down on bitcoin miners for hosting child pornography yet; every full node is hosting it. If the government ever wants to crack down on blockchains they have a valid legal excuse. The longer they go without cracking down, the more it seems like we as a society are accepting the existence of a censorship free medium of communication.

I'm not convinced that nobody else would host it. If they really made a blockchain anybody could post to it would seem difficult to stop other companies from making frontends for it.

Re: Twitter to ban political advertising

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Is this when we now start to wonder what will count as a political ad? Social movements that have a political connection / associated with a particular party or candidate?

Major League Soccer is going through this problem now. They prohibit political displays in stadium but are now in the business of deciding whether signs that say things like "anti-racist" or "anti-fascist" or "end gun violence" are political or not, and all of the worms that come out of that can. https://deadspin.com/by-banning-protest-signs-mls-is-trying-...

I wouldn't have a problem with expanding that to include social issues. You bought a ticket to see a game, not a billboard.

This is a problem I have with modern social movements, when they fail to get audiences in public spaces they seek out captive audiences or to be disruptive as possible to completely unrelated places. Hold your rally in a park or march down main street or a pedestrian way or in front of some place you're protesting. Stop walking down highways and forcing your messages in places which have nothing to do with your cause.

Re: Twitter to ban political advertising

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From what I recall Congresswoman Ocasio-Cortez questioned Zuckerberg, she questioned along the anecdote of: If I purchase ads on Facebook saying Republicans support the Green New Deal (but they don't), will Facebook take the ads down? I often see these clean, easily provable anecdotes from those who support some kind of suppression of speech. I worry though: often the truthfulness of real world statements are difficu…

There's a difference between opinion and facts/lies. Opinion is fine, but when someone is spreading an objective lie (the earth is flat!)... that's where it seems like this is a cop out for Facebook to pretend they can't get involved due to "free speech". Sure, let people share opinions, but not lies and misinformation.
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