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Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by aschismatic »

away_throw wrote: post #350
aschismatic wrote: post #331

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I've thought about setting up a mail server on a DigitalOcean or Vultr VPS without any experience with mail servers (for person use). Whenever I read opinions about operating a private mail server, there's usually a few people that express great satisfaction in doing so, and say that it's not too difficult. However, there are also many more people that say it's not worth the effort since there's maintenance to consid…

Honestly, running an E-Mail is so tedious that I just allow Migadu to manage it for me. You have to deal with configuration (as the original poster said) and run into issues with systems just blocking you outright (especially Outlook). There are some utilities or Docker images that make it easier, but in the end its not worth the hassle. I still think domain-based email is way better than allowing G-Mail or Outlook t…

When you say domain-based, you mean using a email-hosting provider with a custom domain, is that right? I currently have my custom domain set up with G Suite for email and am thinking that's probably good enough.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by aschismatic »

LeonM wrote: post #371
aschismatic wrote: post #331

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I've thought about setting up a mail server on a DigitalOcean or Vultr VPS without any experience with mail servers (for person use). Whenever I read opinions about operating a private mail server, there's usually a few people that express great satisfaction in doing so, and say that it's not too difficult. However, there are also many more people that say it's not worth the effort since there's maintenance to consid…

Self hosting has become harder due to email abuse (spam, phishing, impersonation, etc) and the measures against this that have been introduced. Following a guide to setup a basic email service is quite easy to do, but after a while the lack of proper implementation and maintenance of the standards will start to cause deliverability issues. Those are frustrating and most end up writing a long rant on why Google is evi…

Thank you so much for the detailed reply. I'm fairly new to programming, development, Linux, the command line, etc etc, and so am always on the lookout to learn something new. My day job is web development, but I'm looking for something that I really want to dive deep into. Email seems to be a whole universe of its own! From what you've said, maybe I'll try it once to learn a bit more someday, but for now I'll let sleeping dogs lie and keep G Suite as my custom domain email host. Thanks again!

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by tracker1 »

aschismatic wrote: post #400
tracker1 wrote: post #393

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I ran my own for a number of years... it was a pain in the ass and took too much time for what it is/was worth. I'm a frugal man, but it's just not worth it to me. I now have several relays pointing to my gmail and/or a custom outlook.com domain (grandfathered free account). I've thought about putting something up, but it's a headache and a half. For delivery, if you are really just using it for personal use a mailgu…

Thanks for your take on it. I'm fairly new to the world of programming, development, Linux, etc., so I'm always looking to learn things and make something of my own. A mail server sounds very neat in that regard, like building your first computer, but it sounds like in reality it's best left to the experts. I currently have a G Suite account for my custom domain, so that's probably good enough.

I don't mean to discourage anyone who wants to experiment... It's actually really interesting with a lot of options in terms of running your own. It helps to learn things from the security aspects, to the use of tools for spam, greylisting, dns lists etc. On the flip side, I wouldn't do it for my primary email again.

In the end, if you want a career in IT, or find it interesting, I'd say go for it. I've often thought about building my own end to end open-source mail service aimed at ease of administration. If I was ever rich enough to not have to work, that's one of the things I'd probably do after a few months off.

I'd suggest starting with a secondary domain and using Mail-In-A-Box on a VPS or smaller Cloud host. It's a decent starting point, and there are many other options. One of my favorites is SmarterMail (commercial, windows only though). I also ran a BBS for a number of years using Synchronet, which does email/pop/smtop and even nntp for group messages. I did have it configured with SendGrid at the time for outbound for a while, which handled delivery issues for me.

You will have headaches if you take it seriously and/or use it as a primary service without using a delivery service like MailGun or SendGrid, and even then you probably will have other headaches. My point isn't really do discourage so much as let people have a more realistic understanding. The issues the OP has are real. However, there is so much junk from bad actors that the well is poison.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by jiveturkey »

shadowgovt wrote: post #299
jiveturkey wrote: post #269

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> but we need Google to stop this "my way or you don't exist" attitude I think that's exactly opposite. We need more competition, not forcing a private company to behave in some way that "we" (and who is "we"?) find acceptable. It's time to break them up.

Why is it necessary to break them up when the alternatives are right there? Google can exist, and people can choose to use Bing, DDG, Fastmail, etc., right?

That's a very fair point.

The problem is that Google is not just Google the search engine, or Google the email provider, or Google the video service, or Google the website analytics engine, or Google the online office suite, or Google the ads syndicate.

Because Google is all of those things, it has accumulated too much market power, to the extent that they are market distorting. Bing and DDG (which is not an independent engine, but collates results) are irrelevant to a company's Internet presence. There is no such thing as SEO for Bing. Whereas Google can make-or-break you.

When Google the ad syndicate and Google the search engine collude (as it were) to place your competitor's ads ahead of your organic search result, a top result even, and to distinguish such ad results as ads only technically, by the narrowest of definitions, this compels you to advertise with Google the ad syndicate. Just as an example.

This behavior is harmful to the market (not to mention to users, but that's a different subject) and it is a given that Google the monopoly^Wsingle entity will continue to make such moves, whack-a-mole style so it's futile to squash any individual behavior even if you could. Ergo the reasonable solution is to break them up.

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by 9dl »

tkifnn wrote: post #174
9dl wrote: post #172

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Isn't duck duck just redesigned yandex (aka kgb) search? At start it has mark that search results based on results from yandex engine and crawled results

Ddg is a wrapper around Bing. They may incorporate other results as well.

For free ofc

Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by [deleted] »

tambre wrote: post #369
Scramblejams wrote: post #321

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Thanks for giving it a look! Enforcing DMARC and strict SPF tend to screw up mailing lists and forwarding. I don't see how I can enable them without causing a lot of other problems for me and my users. No arguments about my provider. Any tips on how to select a better one? I'm thinking someone who adds some friction to unblocking outbound port 25, e.g. Vultr, might be better.

DMARC shouldn't be an issue for mailing lists, as long as one of DKIM/SPF passes. Are you seeing reports of both DKIM and SPF failing for mailing lists you use? Properly configured mailing lists shouldn't modify contents of emails causing DKIM to fail. I personally use Linode and would recommend them. But basically any tier 1/2 provider, i.e. too big/popular to block, will do. However, I would avoid DigitalOcean per…

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Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam

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Post by jayalpha »

beefhash wrote: post #209
jayalpha wrote: post #198

I like infomaniak. You can buy separate Email hosting. No EU or US jurisdiction. https://www.infomaniak.com/en/hosting/web-and-mail/mail-host... Gandi offers free email with domain registration.

> No EU or US jurisdiction. As far as I can tell, they're based in Switzerland. The political pressure if either of them EU cough a bit will probably cause Swiss authorities to fall over immediately. I wouldn't consider myself safe in your position.

My email is not valuable enough for the US or the EU to put pressure on them. If you are so worried you have to encrypt your email anyway. A Russian hoster likely would not bend. Be advised that a Russian IP address does not help you to pass Spam filters...
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