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Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by anigbrowl »

commandlinefan wrote: post #143

When Edward Snowden “revealed” that the NSA had been spying on us for decades, I was shocked that anybody was shocked. After all, we’ve known that for a long time - people had been SAYING that for a long time. I realized after the Snowden leaks that most people actually thought they were joking when they said that the NSA was spying on all of us: “har har, as if that could ever happen”. It’s become increasingly clear…

'Spying' suggests something much more targeted than across-the-board data collection. The odds that the NSA keeps track of everyone's online footprint to a large extent is high. The odds that anyone is singled out for close personal scrutiny are very low.

Of course the former makes the latter trivially easy to do, but privacy advocates have failed in two ways: bridging that cognitive gap between passive and active surveillance, and explaining why/how government can reasonably be expected to have worse capabilities than exist in the private sector.

We certainly need stronger privacy laws, but the solution is not for everyone to become a security expert or accept total compromise. That just leads to neighborhoods where every house is barricaded like a prison and the main profit makers are security firms and locksmiths, a condition which already afflicts us: http://tuvalu.santafe.edu/~bowles/GarrisonAmerica2007.pdf

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by micmil »

NoblePublius wrote: post #30

These headlines should all read “says 85 year old man who didn’t examine his body.”

He was present at the autopsy. That said, whether he examined the body directly or not is irrelevant. Coroner's reports are evidence and as such they are constructed to be examined at a later time.

Please stop talking until you know what you're talking about.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

apetresc wrote: post #96
shadowgovt wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. The hard conspiracy theory - that some rich agent with something to lose took determined action to subvert the prison's protections and assassinate him - doesn't hold water for me. I am, however, willing to entertain the softer conspiracy theory - that people in prison (prisoners and staff) hate pedophiles and people who enable pedophilia, and the guy was, perhaps, given more opportunity than average to "fix his…

Maybe in some more run-of-the-mill cases, sure. But even the dimmest staff member must have been well aware that this particular pedophile was on the verge of testifying against an entire network of other pedophiles. If you hate pedophiles so much you're willing to risk your life/career just to let one of them commit suicide, surely you also hate them enough to wait just a little bit longer to prevent a bunch more of…

They were sleeping through their shift because that's just what prison guards frequently do. They were doing a lot of overtime, partly because the prison is understaffed and partly because you make a lot of money signing up for overtime. They were tired, and nobody watches the watchers.

Why do you think that sleeping through overtime would be a case of the guards risking their life? I doubt they've even been fired.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by antocv »

commandlinefan wrote: post #143

When Edward Snowden “revealed” that the NSA had been spying on us for decades, I was shocked that anybody was shocked. After all, we’ve known that for a long time - people had been SAYING that for a long time. I realized after the Snowden leaks that most people actually thought they were joking when they said that the NSA was spying on all of us: “har har, as if that could ever happen”. It’s become increasingly clear…

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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by eesmith »

moltensodium wrote: post #107

Yeah, outside of Lee Harvey Oswald this guy was the most important prisoner in the history of the USA. The fact that he just "suicided" in prison and we're all supposed to move on and share links about suicide awareness is utter nonsense. If the corporate media doesn't get to the bottom of this then someone else will, it's just a matter of time. Everyone is so tired of being lied to by authority figures.

Martin Luther King Jr. was almost certainly more important. He was jailed many times, and wrote Letter from Birmingham Jail from one.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by etxm »

CharlesColeman wrote: post #134
simonebrunozzi wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Usually very rich people have a strong incentive to hire private firms specialized in minimizing the impact of bad stuff like this, and doing so in a very discreet way. I am 100% speculating, but I'd guess that's what Jeff Bezos did in relation to his extra-marital affair, and what Bill Gates and others have been doing in relation to Epstein.

> Usually very rich people have a strong incentive to hire private firms specialized in minimizing the impact of bad stuff like this, and doing so in a very discreet way. I'd be interested in learning about what techniques they use, since they seem like something that ought to be countered.

Many PR firms offer “crisis management.”

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by cwkoss »

lukifer wrote: post #154
commandlinefan wrote: post #143

When Edward Snowden “revealed” that the NSA had been spying on us for decades, I was shocked that anybody was shocked. After all, we’ve known that for a long time - people had been SAYING that for a long time. I realized after the Snowden leaks that most people actually thought they were joking when they said that the NSA was spying on all of us: “har har, as if that could ever happen”. It’s become increasingly clear…

While I agree, I think it’s worth teasing apart the “They” in this line of thinking. The conspiracy/Illuminati narratives imply a singular, unified cabal of power, which is a very difficult thing to achieve. But I think is more likely, is a loosely coupled system of mutual benefit with many players and imperfect knowledge, but all of whom are incentivized to (or selected for) not rocking the boat too much. Elizabeth…

In the case of Epstein, it appears that NY Dept of Corrections and the coroner must both be colluding to make the suicide narrative plausible.

There must be some level of coordinated pressure exerted on both of these offices for neither to highlight the inconsistencies.

What would be more concerning: a governmental agency or a non-governmental organization having this kind of power?

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by api »

code_duck wrote: post #60
claudeganon wrote: post #36

Epstein’s death seems the most overt taunt about ruling class impunity in my lifetime. Not only in its circumstances, but in the kind of shifting, threadbare cover stories about everyone with whom he was associated. Bill Gates, for example, had staff overlap between his foundation and Epstein, (including one who was named in Epstein’s will!) and was able to diminish these connections in major media outlets with almos…

Epstein's ability to carry in his activities with near impunity during his life seems even more shocking to me. Pretty much everyone knew what this guy was doing for decades.

It's similar to what keeps financial bubbles and Ponzi schemes going: when the money is flowing, nobody asks questions. Epstein threw a lot of money around.

The UK had Jimmy Saville and a similar story. He raised a lot of money for various important people and charities so nobody paid attention to the fact that he appears to have been a serial rapist for decades.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by mistermann »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #128
claudeganon wrote: post #36

Epstein’s death seems the most overt taunt about ruling class impunity in my lifetime. Not only in its circumstances, but in the kind of shifting, threadbare cover stories about everyone with whom he was associated. Bill Gates, for example, had staff overlap between his foundation and Epstein, (including one who was named in Epstein’s will!) and was able to diminish these connections in major media outlets with almos…

Usually very rich people have a strong incentive to hire private firms specialized in minimizing the impact of bad stuff like this, and doing so in a very discreet way. I am 100% speculating, but I'd guess that's what Jeff Bezos did in relation to his extra-marital affair, and what Bill Gates and others have been doing in relation to Epstein.

How they manage to persuade the completely trustworthy and independent media to modify their reporting would be an interesting thing to know.
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