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Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by lostlogin »

542458 wrote: post #77
loceng wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand your point, however I want to rhetorically ask: expensive relative to what? What's a life worth? What's it worth to keep someone alive where there's very high probability that they alone could be linchpin to bring down a network of bad actors?

> expensive relative to what? What's a life worth? I absolutely agree - it was stupid and shortsighted to take him off of suicide watch, and better suicide watch programs are needed in general. My point is more that nothing that much out of the ordinary for American jails happened here. Things happen in US jails every day that, to most people, would seem insane - incompetence and indifference to life are the norm. Se…

>it was stupid and shortsighted to take him off of suicide watch

Or was it clever, manipulative and a powerful demonstration of knowledge on how events would pan out?

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by malvosenior »

throwaway829 wrote: post #105
jowday wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's likely Epstein was tied up with CIA. Once they enter the picture, everything's fair game. https://observer.com/2019/07/jeffrey-epstein-spy-intelligenc...

Robert Maxwell has been accused of being a Mossad agent. Ghislaine Maxwell was the daughter of Robert Maxwell. Upon his death, six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended his funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogized him and stated: “He has done more for Israel than can today be said." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Maxwell

Wexner (who gave Epstein his initial fortune) is also suspected to be Mossad:

https://www.mintpressnews.com/mega-group-maxwells-mossad-spy...

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by passwordreset »

pkilgore wrote: post #22

I hate to be boring, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which so far has not been presented. My brother in law is an attorney who literally makes a career out of the deaths and injuries that result from the incredible incompetence and neglect we inflict upon the imprisoned in this country. And as he puts it "Business is Good."

I'm not sure I follow you here. Which claim do you consider to be extraordinary, the claim that Epstein was killed, or the claim the Epstein was a suicide? Neither claim seems "extraordinary".

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by juskrey »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #114
code_duck wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Epstein's ability to carry in his activities with near impunity during his life seems even more shocking to me. Pretty much everyone knew what this guy was doing for decades.

In the old country, there is a concept of krysha, which technically refers to protection paid to government for protection ( not unlike mafia ), but, for example, in Russia, referred to money paid for protection to the security apparatus. I find it difficult to believe Epstein had no protectors. Natually, now nonone really knew the guy.

Krysha is naturally something that can vanish overnight or turn against you

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by celticmusic »

partiallypro wrote: post #112
bryanrasmussen wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah but every noted pathologist who I've read with working knowledge of the case - which is the one in the linked article - says it looks like murder.

He actually didn't say it was definitely murder, he said suicide was ruled the cause too quickly and they should have waited on DNA testing.

He said much more than that... For example, he pointed out that broken bones are very rare in suicide cases like this, and multiple fractures is even rarer.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by nyolfen »

rcpt wrote: post #65
hurrdurr2 wrote: post #43

It sure was convenient for a lot of high profile people that this guy is dead. The cameras happened to malfunction on that day... guy got taken off suicide watch. Also his cell mate was an ex-cop who looks like he could snap people in half without trying. I mean come on.

Didn't know that about the cellmate. Apparently he was an ex-cop who killed 4 people in solitary confinement.

he killed four people on the outside, which is why he’s jailed

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

claudeganon wrote: post #36

Epstein’s death seems the most overt taunt about ruling class impunity in my lifetime. Not only in its circumstances, but in the kind of shifting, threadbare cover stories about everyone with whom he was associated. Bill Gates, for example, had staff overlap between his foundation and Epstein, (including one who was named in Epstein’s will!) and was able to diminish these connections in major media outlets with almos…

Usually very rich people have a strong incentive to hire private firms specialized in minimizing the impact of bad stuff like this, and doing so in a very discreet way.

I am 100% speculating, but I'd guess that's what Jeff Bezos did in relation to his extra-marital affair, and what Bill Gates and others have been doing in relation to Epstein.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by trhway »

bsamuels wrote: post #5

I'm fascinated by the idea that someone could have killed and successfully covered up a murder this high profile. How do you handle the guards? How do you keep the other inmates quiet? Can you get away with bribing a single guard or is a larger operation needed? If you bribe people, how do you get the money to them? How do you keep them quiet when the inevitable investigation happens? I don't think it's impossible, b…

>How do you handle the guards? How do you keep the other inmates quiet?

i think it is much easier task than what happened in Florida in 2008 and the years after when the federal and the state prosecutors and the FBI and the judges all were basically working on the Epstein side to make sure that the slam dunk serial pedophile charges would get nowhere. You can't directly buy that with money. That was done by some large power and influence from behind the scene (influential enough to make all those participants to accept the obviously fake CIA cover as a way out). Couple prison guards and non-working cameras is just a minor thing for such power and influence.

Re: Epstein's injuries look more like murder than suicide, noted pathologist says

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Post by nkrisc »

shadowgovt wrote: post #101
throwaway743 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also the cameras just so happened to not have been recording at the time of the incident... doesn't seem coincidental considering his profile and potential to bring down some big name elites

This is the problem with conspiracy theories... Avoidable accidents and conspiracy theories have the same fact pattern, which is an overlap of failure modes that should have been preventable but weren't prevented. Was the Titanic disaster a tragic accident borne of negligence... or a conspiracy to assassinate John Jacob Astor and make it look like an accident? A lot had to go wrong to make an unsinkable ship sink. Wh…

Not to mention, Epstein had pretty good reason to kill himself outside of anyone who might benefit from it. He was probably facing life in prison for despicable crimes. There's no coming back from that.
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