Internet is the plumbing that powers everything from www, telecommunications etc. I think he is throwing the baby with the bath water.
Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
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#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Very insightful. No, I'm not being sarcastic. The internet has in general been great for literally billions of people, but it's not an unalloyed good. It has a dark side, which Adams foresaw. Some people need to be kept isolated. It's great that people who suffer from some rare condition can find and support each other. It's not so great that Nazis can. I don't know the solution. I'm not sure anyone does, or even tha…
The darker phenomenon is that there seem to be a lot more Nazis (sympathizers at least) than one would deem normal.
On the brighter side, things are not always as they seem.
Re: Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
#153I find this post quite disappointing. I don't mean to come off harsh but it is quite naive and utopian and I cannot take the call to arms seriously. Saying the internet went wrong is like saying the invention of cars went wrong cause we still have car accidents. For every powerful force in the world, it will be a source of good and bad things. The internet has changed the world, increased communication, allowed peopl…
It’s more like inventing the bicycle and then having it evolve into a car, where your initial idea was for a safe, economical, sustainable way to get from on point to another. Instead we paved over all the sidewalks with freeways to make room insanely large vehicles that crash into each other and kill everyone involved. Sure, they get from one point to another faster and help you transport things larger than you imag…
Bicycles didn’t evolve into cars, horses and stagecoaches did.
Re: Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
#154I find this post quite disappointing. I don't mean to come off harsh but it is quite naive and utopian and I cannot take the call to arms seriously. Saying the internet went wrong is like saying the invention of cars went wrong cause we still have car accidents. For every powerful force in the world, it will be a source of good and bad things. The internet has changed the world, increased communication, allowed peopl…
Small nitpick : Hindi not Hindu. The former is language which one can learn. The latter is, depending on how you ask, is a (group of) religion(s)/way of life.
On the other hand, let’s compare internet to nuclear fission. Clearly lot benefits can be drawn from the technology (assuming safety practices etc) but in our current world order it is primarily used as a deterrent.
So I don’t think OP is complaining unnecessarily. We must strive to ensure technology is used for beneficial purposes. And in that sense, the call to arms is justified.
Re: Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
#155I find this post quite disappointing. I don't mean to come off harsh but it is quite naive and utopian and I cannot take the call to arms seriously. Saying the internet went wrong is like saying the invention of cars went wrong cause we still have car accidents. For every powerful force in the world, it will be a source of good and bad things. The internet has changed the world, increased communication, allowed peopl…
You mentioned cars, which is good comparison.
Obviously, cars are essential. But here is short a list of completely unnecessary issues brought on by greed and industry:
* The health and societal cost of leaded gasoline and the industry resistance to transitioning to unleaded.
* The Automobile industry purchase and subsequent removal of train and light rail tracks in the United States.
* The Automobile industry resistance to requiring airbags.
* The oil industry and it's war against global warming science.
There are many more, these are just the ones off the top of my head.
Point is, it isn't the technology but the industry around the technology that is the issue. Cars are useful and essential just like the internet. But right now, we have a situation akin to the early automobile industry.
I hope that, with this technology, we can get some privacy laws/worker rights/better standards before we have another half-century before anything gets done about the Big Bad Corporate takeover of the Internet.
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#156Re: Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
#157I find this post quite disappointing. I don't mean to come off harsh but it is quite naive and utopian and I cannot take the call to arms seriously. Saying the internet went wrong is like saying the invention of cars went wrong cause we still have car accidents. For every powerful force in the world, it will be a source of good and bad things. The internet has changed the world, increased communication, allowed peopl…
agree. the inventor does not get to decide or choose how his invention is used I would also agree the internet has been a huge net positive.
> I would also agree the internet has been a huge net positive.
I thought that not terribly long ago. I have to admit, though, that with every passing day I become less sure that it's really a net positive.
Re: Leonard Kleinrock on what went wrong with the internet
#158I find this post quite disappointing. I don't mean to come off harsh but it is quite naive and utopian and I cannot take the call to arms seriously. Saying the internet went wrong is like saying the invention of cars went wrong cause we still have car accidents. For every powerful force in the world, it will be a source of good and bad things. The internet has changed the world, increased communication, allowed peopl…
It’s more like inventing the bicycle and then having it evolve into a car, where your initial idea was for a safe, economical, sustainable way to get from on point to another. Instead we paved over all the sidewalks with freeways to make room insanely large vehicles that crash into each other and kill everyone involved. Sure, they get from one point to another faster and help you transport things larger than you imag…
That's still not a valid argument.
You're minimizing the amazing benefits created by near instantaneous transportation (or communication, in the case of the internet). How many lives were saved because ambulances exist?
It's easy to cherry pick the pros and cons of any invention, but at the end of the day any attempt to do so is inherently biased.
Society continues to evolve with nearly every economic and welfare indicator scoring better than 10, 50, 100 years ago. On average, inventions like automobiles and global communications must be contributing to this net positive societal gain. There's nothing glaringly bad about the internet or automobiles. Even if the internet is used for bad things at times, it's also created a shitload of good. Regardless, it is but a means to an end. People would do go on to do good or bad things even if the internet didn't exist, so we can't blame this one invention for the actions of humans.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
agree. the inventor does not get to decide or choose how his invention is used I would also agree the internet has been a huge net positive.
> I would also agree the internet has been a huge net positive. I thought that not terribly long ago. I have to admit, though, that with every passing day I become less sure that it's really a net positive.
Of course, it is. Put it this way, there is absolutely zero evidence that it’s not net positive.
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#160Personally, I think the internet has changed millions if not billions of lives for the better. Yes, it has introduced quite a few bad things like spam, malware, surveillance etc. but with most good things, comes a few bad things. Overall though, Internet has been tremendous in lifting so many people out of poverty AND creating jobs that otherwise people could not dream of before the internet. I can work for anyone ov…
> With all the hate social media gets for example, imagine a life without them again.
I can imagine that easily. I know others differ, but is all social media went away tomorrow, my life would be none the poorer for it.