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Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam

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post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tons: alcohol being just one example.

Substances used to excess and technology like electricity used improperly are in a different category than consumer-facing products that can kill you randomly through no fault of your own.

Why?. Alcohol is a consumer product sold everywhere and is one of the main killers.

Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam

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I don't get why we can't create a "full self driving suitable zone", with standarized road paint, signs, beacons, traffic lights which broadcast their state on a suitable standar, and maybe a car to car communication mesh.

Start small with something like the mortantown prt, even in segregated lanes, and grow from there.

I can't see a way to have full self driving capabilities, without helping the vehicles with some context information.

Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam

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If we expect driverless cars to be further delayed and we continue building our cities to encourage micromobility (bikes, electric scooters, segregated lanes, car free streets, etc.) then at which point does the value of the driverless car become moot because we no longer drive? Does this sound unlikely? Consider European cities like Copenhagen and Amsterdam which have encouraged cycling over the last two decades and…

Not everyone lives in cycling distance to work, not all are fit enough to cycle regularly (old age, disability, obesity). In many countries such people use public transportation, but that's crowded and inconvenient for the richer folks who can afford cars. Why do you think people still have cars in Amsterdam?

I think many will still have cars, although they'll have to be electric [0]. Will the driverless car be as cheap as the second hand Nissan Leaf? Also, perhaps the car isn't used to commute every day when the weather is good and you aren't battling through traffic.

In Europe cycling distance to work within a city is as quick as driving. If you aren't quite fit enough you can get an electric bike (very popular amongst the elderly).

I didn't consider the suburbs in my question but in a small to medium sized city (So you'd have to rich and fat to still be driving. ;)

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/may/03/amsterdam-ban-...

Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam

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post #133

If we expect driverless cars to be further delayed and we continue building our cities to encourage micromobility (bikes, electric scooters, segregated lanes, car free streets, etc.) then at which point does the value of the driverless car become moot because we no longer drive? Does this sound unlikely? Consider European cities like Copenhagen and Amsterdam which have encouraged cycling over the last two decades and…

I think the whole point of driverless cars is at some point, you can deploy car sharing services that largely replace private car ownership/usage. At least, that's what I'd hope, because it's an insane waste of space and resources that the vast majority of cars you see on the road only transport a single person around. I mean, I get that people don't care about their environmental impact, but at some point we're going to have to care.

Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam

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post #182

I don't get why we can't create a "full self driving suitable zone", with standarized road paint, signs, beacons, traffic lights which broadcast their state on a suitable standar, and maybe a car to car communication mesh. Start small with something like the mortantown prt, even in segregated lanes, and grow from there. I can't see a way to have full self driving capabilities, without helping the vehicles with some c…

Infastructure is hard enough to get spending on when it is needed long term and immediate unfortunately - let alone for experimental applications.

That sort of spending would rely upon rational risk assessment instead of irrational fear so utterly unrealistic politically unfortunately.

Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam

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post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

while I generally agree with your point, that new cars with great braking, enhanced safety and in perfect technical conditions are safer than average, I'm not entirely convinced if BMW is the right make for this kind of examples edit: typo

Do BMWs have a bad safety track record?

I believe the parent poster is referring to the stereotype that BMW drivers have an aggressive and selfish driving style, and that they never use their indicators/blinkers.

Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam

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post #133

If we expect driverless cars to be further delayed and we continue building our cities to encourage micromobility (bikes, electric scooters, segregated lanes, car free streets, etc.) then at which point does the value of the driverless car become moot because we no longer drive? Does this sound unlikely? Consider European cities like Copenhagen and Amsterdam which have encouraged cycling over the last two decades and…

That may be happening in Europe but for 95% of Americans it's sadly a pipedream.

What is stopping American cities from changing their infrastructure investment from automobiles to micromobility? Is there one, big, standout reason that could be addressed? It's a change that takes decades and it's fighting against incumbents with deep pockets but it could be done.

Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam

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post #133

If we expect driverless cars to be further delayed and we continue building our cities to encourage micromobility (bikes, electric scooters, segregated lanes, car free streets, etc.) then at which point does the value of the driverless car become moot because we no longer drive? Does this sound unlikely? Consider European cities like Copenhagen and Amsterdam which have encouraged cycling over the last two decades and…

I think the whole point of driverless cars is at some point, you can deploy car sharing services that largely replace private car ownership/usage. At least, that's what I'd hope, because it's an insane waste of space and resources that the vast majority of cars you see on the road only transport a single person around. I mean, I get that people don't care about their environmental impact, but at some point we're goin…

Why do you think people using a driverless car service would care less about having to share their ride? In theory if people would just carpool much more right now, the number of cars on the road would go down a lot, and they could divide the costs. But somehow they don't.

I don't see why people who don't consider carpooling right now would order a driverless car that needs to pick up some other people before going where they want. So how would driverless cars reduce the number of cars on the road? Or to state it differently: why do we need driverless cars to get the average occupancy of cars on the road above 1?

Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam

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post #133

If we expect driverless cars to be further delayed and we continue building our cities to encourage micromobility (bikes, electric scooters, segregated lanes, car free streets, etc.) then at which point does the value of the driverless car become moot because we no longer drive? Does this sound unlikely? Consider European cities like Copenhagen and Amsterdam which have encouraged cycling over the last two decades and…

If you don't need to drive why would you buy a driverless car? I don’t anticipate many people will ever buy a driverless car. The whole concept of buying a car is kind of ridiculous. You pay for it then you continue paying for registration, insurance, maintenance, park, etc all while it sits idle 90% of the time. Driverless cars allow you to be picked up at your front door and dropped off exactly at the spot wherever…

A lot of those benefits can be had from taxis - and yet people still buy their own cars.

Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam

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post #133

If we expect driverless cars to be further delayed and we continue building our cities to encourage micromobility (bikes, electric scooters, segregated lanes, car free streets, etc.) then at which point does the value of the driverless car become moot because we no longer drive? Does this sound unlikely? Consider European cities like Copenhagen and Amsterdam which have encouraged cycling over the last two decades and…

Not everyone lives in cycling distance to work, not all are fit enough to cycle regularly (old age, disability, obesity). In many countries such people use public transportation, but that's crowded and inconvenient for the richer folks who can afford cars. Why do you think people still have cars in Amsterdam?

Also, sometimes it rains.
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