See also an article on Chinese vs. Western thinking on autonomous vehicles https://www.economist.com/business/2019/10/12/chinese-firms-... in last week's Economist, and a recent example of an edge case taking non road based autonomous vehicles off one campus https://thespoon.tech/starships-robots-pulled-from-universit...
Driverless cars are stuck in a jam
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Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam
#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
Cars are way more comfortable and more convenient than public transit. Working Parisians who take transit spend 113 minutes a day commuting: https://www.thelocal.fr/20160418/parisians-spend-23-days-a-y... DC, where most people drive, averages about 70 minutes. Commuters in Dallas, where everyone drives, spend just 54 minutes a day commuting: https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Hou...
your implied conclusion is that its better to drive doesn't stand up. You _can't_ drive to central paris. London you're looking at a £15 charge and a time penalty of ~15-45 minutes.
Public transport to and from work can be pretty awesome. There’s a lot of stuff you can do, that you wouldn’t be able to do while driving.
Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam
#83See also an article on Chinese vs. Western thinking on autonomous vehicles https://www.economist.com/business/2019/10/12/chinese-firms-... in last week's Economist, and a recent example of an edge case taking non road based autonomous vehicles off one campus https://thespoon.tech/starships-robots-pulled-from-universit...
Heathrow has driverless pods:
https://londonist.com/2014/09/a-ride-on-heathrows-self-drivi...
I'm not sure how you could introduce that into a modern mixed traffic environment though. Imagine the howls from all the incumbents.
Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam
#84I asked this question before and received no answers, so I'll ask again: Is there a source that details the specific issues that self-driving cars could face, and potential methods of solving them?
https://blog.piekniewski.info/2016/11/28/more-thoughts-on-se...
Is pretty good. For a more recent take he has also written some blogs on the short comings of AI in general which has some self driving car content.
https://blog.piekniewski.info/2018/05/28/ai-winter-is-well-o...
Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam
#85Tesla claims that autopilot is involved in one accident for every 4.34 million miles driven. Seems like a useful number, of course the media reports that the average is 1 accident per 500,000 miles.
So 9 times safer... right?
Question is how many accidents do similar people (read that as rich enough to buy a $50k+ car) in similar conditions (highways) with similar cars (newish luxury cars) without autopilot?
No fair counting drunks, meth heads, crappy cars, or snow storms (where auto pilot wouldn't work anyways).
Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam
#86Maybe we should focus on finding a way to ... clone our brain inside of mechanical box. I know plenty of ethical considerations there, but a human with all the life skills of a human would be a perfect AI and not need the normal learning that focus ML brings w/ it. Imagine if they just clone a driving instructor's brain, and placed copies of that inside the cars...
Sounds like an episode of Black Mirror
Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam
#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
>While we accept to be killed by our own mistakes at the wheel, society (we) will not accept that a machine makes the same Ideally we should not be accepting either. It is outrageous how many people we allow to be killed regularly for slightly more comfortable transport.
> slightly more comfortable transport. Slightly more comfortable than what? Horses? Bicycles? Walking? There were 158,493 registered deaths in Australia in 2018, [1] of which 1137 were due to motor vehicle accidents [1]. Motor vehicle related deaths don't even rate in the top 20 causes of death. [also 1] The rate of motor vehicle related deaths in Australia peaked in 1970 at 30.4 per 100,000 population per year, and…
How about the deaths not related to biology/age of your body?
It should really be compared with other accidents. Cyclist deaths, bathtub drownings, slipping on banana peels. Choking on food perhaps. Have the feeling it would rank pretty high in its cohort.
Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam
#88Tesla claims that autopilot is involved in one accident for every 4.34 million miles driven. Seems like a useful number, of course the media reports that the average is 1 accident per 500,000 miles. So 9 times safer... right? Question is how many accidents do similar people (read that as rich enough to buy a $50k+ car) in similar conditions (highways) with similar cars (newish luxury cars) without autopilot? No fair…
Surely some of those autopilot miles involved drunks, so they shouldn't be excluded entirely.
Re: Driverless cars are stuck in a jam
#89Tesla claims that autopilot is involved in one accident for every 4.34 million miles driven. Seems like a useful number, of course the media reports that the average is 1 accident per 500,000 miles. So 9 times safer... right? Question is how many accidents do similar people (read that as rich enough to buy a $50k+ car) in similar conditions (highways) with similar cars (newish luxury cars) without autopilot? No fair…
Surely some of those autopilot miles involved drunks, so they shouldn't be excluded entirely.
Indeed, but likely at a lower rate than the general public. In any case the general idea is to find as fair a comparison as possible with the Tesla published numbers.
I suspect $60k BMW owners driving on the highways in good weather are much safer per mile than random folks in random cars on random roads in random weather.
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#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't understand why so many otherwise smart people fell for FSD hype. I'm not talking about the many con artists - I'm talking about the tech-savvy people who genuinely bought into FSD hype. How is it not obvious that FSD most likely requires artificial general intelligence and is, thus, probably somewhere between "many decades away" and "humans will never achieve it"?
If I had to have an opinion, this would be it. I don't see why self-driving vehicles can't be dependant on additional self-driving-vehicle-related-signage or sensors embedded in / around / near roads, etc etc. Humans are fairly dependant on additional signage, maps, and navigation tools (Google / Apple Maps).
I would say safety dictates that the car would still have to be safe when such external signals are either missing, wrong or flat out hostile. At that point I don't really see the value they provide.