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Re: 1.5M Packages a Day Bring Chaos to NYC Streets

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Post by vageli » Mon, Oct 28, 2019, 6:32 PM UTC

stefan_ wrote: post #110

vageli wrote: post #51

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> And the second solution is make the penalties on trucks meaningful. Have the fine amounts escalate with every violation within a certain period, with no cap (so that a ticket could eventually cost tens of thousands of dollars for a particular scofflaw truck, rather than the current ignorable amount of around a hundred). And tow/confiscate trucks that have enough tickets. Part of the reason these companies can get a…

This seems to be a recurring theme here, as if a parking violation is some kind of murder/capital crime situation that requires a diligent team of prosecutors and lots of hard evidence. Except, it's not. A parking violation is strict liability for the registered owner of the car and trivially proven by a mere photograph. Odds of beating it in court are very very small.

It has nothing to do with the odds of beating it in court. If I have 1000 tickets and opt to contest them all, good luck scheduling any other case (especially if I bring photos, testimony, etc for each case). Further, it is not "strict liability" and there are defenses that can be raised.

Re: 1.5M Packages a Day Bring Chaos to NYC Streets

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Post by jshaqaw » Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 12:14 AM UTC

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #198

jshaqaw wrote: post #174

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That’s what collective governance is. I live in NYC. I’m sure the bulk of my taxes subsidize some form of “those people” of whom I am not a part. It’s called a community. I don’t bike and yet I support I infrastructure for bikers. As for cars, I sympathize with many people I know who have cars and need them to reverse commute or to take care of elderly parents in the burbs etc... The rich have garages. On street park…

Cars already have their own bike lanes: roads. Why do they also get free parking? Also, if we want make things equitable, shouldn’t we give cars and bikes the same per-person square footage or per-person-mph square footage? Why does the fact that cars are bigger give their owners the right to more free space?

Because some people need them. Because adding $7000 per year is a straw which breaks a middle class family in the city. Because a vibrant city needs middle class families and wouldn’t work as just an enclave for the very rich, the very poor, and 20-30 year olds without family responsibilities. I’m not saying these reasons trump alternative uses for the streets but they are real.

Re: 1.5M Packages a Day Bring Chaos to NYC Streets

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Post by masonic » Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 3:58 AM UTC

Consultant32452 wrote: post #41

Ididntdothis wrote: post #39

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Problem is that only people or companies with deep pockets can violate the law that way. If you don’t have money for lawyers you have to pay the tickets. That’s how end up with a two class society where some people are above the law.

I don't know what it's like in NY, but in my state you can take a driver safety course and cut your fees down considerably.

For non-moving violations?

Re: 1.5M Packages a Day Bring Chaos to NYC Streets

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Post by masonic » Tue, Oct 29, 2019, 4:06 AM UTC

vageli wrote: post #211

stefan_ wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to be a recurring theme here, as if a parking violation is some kind of murder/capital crime situation that requires a diligent team of prosecutors and lots of hard evidence. Except, it's not. A parking violation is strict liability for the registered owner of the car and trivially proven by a mere photograph. Odds of beating it in court are very very small.

It has nothing to do with the odds of beating it in court. If I have 1000 tickets and opt to contest them all, good luck scheduling any other case (especially if I bring photos, testimony, etc for each case). Further, it is not "strict liability" and there are defenses that can be raised.

If you want to contest 1,000 citations from distinct incidents, the court could give you 1,000 separate dockets, appearance times, and locations.