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Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

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Post by president »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #15
mbesto wrote: post #6

This is a serious f'n problem, and I'm glad it's finally being recognized. When I see PE groups in China outbidding their Western counterparts by absurd multiples, it just reeks of ulterior motives. EDIT: Spelling police got me.

Everyone panicked about the Japanese buying up American assets, too. It's all about 'rising tides lifting all boats' until there's a chance of someone else's boat being almost as high as ours. Then all of a sudden it's about the foreign threat, ulterior motives..

In this case, someone else's boat has been ramming ours while some of our ship crew conveniently looked the other way. People have been shouting "foul" on China for a while now but it was the greed of many members of American congress and financial elite who were profiting from business deals with China that caused them to look the other way. Thankfully, we've gotten to a point where people aren't willing to put up with China's antagonistic behavior any longer.

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Post by yourbandsucks »

president wrote: post #21
yourbandsucks wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone panicked about the Japanese buying up American assets, too. It's all about 'rising tides lifting all boats' until there's a chance of someone else's boat being almost as high as ours. Then all of a sudden it's about the foreign threat, ulterior motives..

In this case, someone else's boat has been ramming ours while some of our ship crew conveniently looked the other way. People have been shouting "foul" on China for a while now but it was the greed of many members of American congress and financial elite who were profiting from business deals with China that caused them to look the other way. Thankfully, we've gotten to a point where people aren't willing to put up w…

What foul, specifically? Currency manipulation stopped over a decade ago.

Is it a 'foul' for them to run their domestic economy/politics the way they want? Or to buy freely traded American assets, as everyone's freaking out about here?

None of that is them 'ramming' our ship. People are just mad because they thought we'd reached the end of history and the Chinese would know their role and play second-fiddle to Superior Western Culture forever. They're figuring out that that's not a natural law, and they're piiiiiisssed.

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Post by president »

yourbandsucks wrote: post #22
president wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this case, someone else's boat has been ramming ours while some of our ship crew conveniently looked the other way. People have been shouting "foul" on China for a while now but it was the greed of many members of American congress and financial elite who were profiting from business deals with China that caused them to look the other way. Thankfully, we've gotten to a point where people aren't willing to put up w…

What foul, specifically? Currency manipulation stopped over a decade ago. Is it a 'foul' for them to run their domestic economy/politics the way they want? Or to buy freely traded American assets, as everyone's freaking out about here? None of that is them 'ramming' our ship. People are just mad because they thought we'd reached the end of history and the Chinese would know their role and play second-fiddle to Superi…

No, people are mad because here we have a totalitarian, protectionist, mercantilist nation that has no rule of law governing their people or their economy and subsidizing and weaponizing their companies to slowly strangle western economies by stealing their IP and defrauding foreign investors.

You can get pretty far when you lie, cheat, and steal, especially when there isn't anyone there to punish you. I wouldn't call that first-fiddle "superior Chinese culture" though.

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#25

Post by KorematsuFred »

president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

Americans have tried to impose their values on rest of the world in last 60 years I am not sure why China doing the same is bad at all. At least china has not ruined a dozen countries.

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Post by djohnston »

KorematsuFred wrote: post #25
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

Americans have tried to impose their values on rest of the world in last 60 years I am not sure why China doing the same is bad at all. At least china has not ruined a dozen countries.

Give them time, they're only now reaching proper scale.

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Post by appleshore »

KorematsuFred wrote: post #25
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

Americans have tried to impose their values on rest of the world in last 60 years I am not sure why China doing the same is bad at all. At least china has not ruined a dozen countries.

This perspective is the definition of relativism. You think an authoritarian regime who views human rights as “Western rights” is equal to the US? If you’re arguing liberalism has failed, that’s one thing. But let’s not argue that all things are the same.

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

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Post by yourbandsucks »

president wrote: post #24
yourbandsucks wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What foul, specifically? Currency manipulation stopped over a decade ago. Is it a 'foul' for them to run their domestic economy/politics the way they want? Or to buy freely traded American assets, as everyone's freaking out about here? None of that is them 'ramming' our ship. People are just mad because they thought we'd reached the end of history and the Chinese would know their role and play second-fiddle to Superi…

No, people are mad because here we have a totalitarian, protectionist, mercantilist nation that has no rule of law governing their people or their economy and subsidizing and weaponizing their companies to slowly strangle western economies by stealing their IP and defrauding foreign investors. You can get pretty far when you lie, cheat, and steal, especially when there isn't anyone there to punish you. I wouldn't cal…

That's a lot of heat and I'm not getting anything besides my previous post's last sentence out of it.

If protectionism and mercantilism are bad, how come everyone's in favor of these restrictions on this thread? Such little faith?

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#29

Post by Benjammer »

KorematsuFred wrote: post #25
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

Americans have tried to impose their values on rest of the world in last 60 years I am not sure why China doing the same is bad at all. At least china has not ruined a dozen countries.

So we should wait until they rape and plunder a dozen African nations before we do anything?

Re: U.S. Seeks to Heighten Scrutiny of Foreign Investment in Tech, Infra, Data

#30

Post by rolltiide »

KorematsuFred wrote: post #25
president wrote: post #20

It's about time that the US start standing up to China's unrestricted warfare [1]. It's amazing that most Americans don't realize that China views the US as an adversary and has been quietly waging a war against the West. Why there are people who welcome the rise of Chinese/CCP hegemony when they are actively looking to crush [2] "Western values" is beyond me. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrestricted_Warfare [2…

Americans have tried to impose their values on rest of the world in last 60 years I am not sure why China doing the same is bad at all. At least china has not ruined a dozen countries.

I wouldn't say I welcome the rise of Chinese hegemony, but I do welcome the rise of a more collaborative world, and that requires middle ground where there hasn't been with US hegemony due to lack of competition:

I know that I can't expect to do business in the US or Europe if I opine on Jewish sovereignty issues

I know that I can't expect to do business in China if I opine on Chinese sovereignty issues

The result isn't that different just because the former is [mostly] private sector ostracizing and the latter is direct sanctioning from the government. It's cognitively negligent for that specific nuance of private sector deplatforming vs public sector sanctioning to be the line in the sand for people's ideology when the result is the same for doing business in a specific region.

Although Chinese rule of law is totally arbitrary, they've been very consistent that discussion of Chinese sovereignty is not covered and this has nothing to do with any ideology or desire that causes you to say anything about it.

I don't expect this to garner consensus, but the parallels are quite clear. Everyone here already censors themselves to fit with American values on things that greatly disturb them.

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