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Man wins French Scrabble championship without speaking a word of French (2015)

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Re: Man wins French Scrabble championship without speaking a word of French (2015)

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The disconnect between "Scrabble the word game" and "Scrabble the area game with a semi-arbitrary set of rules for tile placement that is somewhat related to words" has been discussed here before. But honestly, it isn't that exceptional a disconnect. Most board games have a "theme" that increases our enjoyment. But many of them are actually math games that could be played without thinking about the theme at all. Ches…

Is the point that any (board) game can be boiled down to the mathematical backbone? Seems quite trivial.

I think the GP was more getting at "you can like the fluff" or you can "like the game".

My ex could never understand why I would play wacky strategies when we'd play board games. It's because I wasn't "playing the game" I was trying to "break the game" by better understanding the meta.

At high levels of strategy, you aren't even "playing the game" anymore.

Re: Man wins French Scrabble championship without speaking a word of French (2015)

#42

The disconnect between "Scrabble the word game" and "Scrabble the area game with a semi-arbitrary set of rules for tile placement that is somewhat related to words" has been discussed here before. But honestly, it isn't that exceptional a disconnect. Most board games have a "theme" that increases our enjoyment. But many of them are actually math games that could be played without thinking about the theme at all. Ches…

Is the point that any (board) game can be boiled down to the mathematical backbone? Seems quite trivial.

All board games have something math-y underneath them. There is a thing called Game Theory, after all.

But for some board games, the theme around the game aids our intuition about how to play the game. In others, it serves only as window-dressing.

Take, for example, Settlers of Catan. We could change the theme somewhat, but fundamentally a theme around resources helps players figure out what to do with the cards. Saying that "ore helps you build buildings" also helps new players understand and recall the rules.

It might be the exact same game if we got rid of the metaphor and just said it's a game where you can exchange three grey cards, two yellow cards, and an S token, for a C token, but that would make the game much harder to learn and play.

At high levels of play perhaps you might spend all your time thinking about card draw percentages and see the board as an abstract graph, but the theme won't get in your way.

I'd say similar things about Agricola. Or the 18xx series of games. Those themes really help most players learn and play the games.

Other games, not so much. Ticket to Ride would likely be just as easy to learn and play if it was an abstract game of network connections. Go and Chess are clearly long past their original themes. And so forth.

So getting back to your question, I'm trying to say something beyond "All games have an abstract game underneath the theme." I'm trying to say that "A large disconnect between a game's theme and its underlying abstract game is not rare." I don't claim it's universal, but I suggest it's not so rare that Scrabble stands alone as an oddity.

JM2C.

Re: Man wins French Scrabble championship without speaking a word of French (2015)

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post #29

The embodiment of Machine Learning.

I would say it takes similar qualities to master chess and scrabble. I've been to a scrabble tournament recently and it looks very similar to chess or go kids tournaments. It all starts with memorizing an opening in chess or specific sets of words like vowel words: https://word.tips/vowel-words/

Re: Man wins French Scrabble championship without speaking a word of French (2015)

#44
If you are interested in Scrabble, you'll like reading this (Feb 2019) review of Scrabble covering it as a area-control-wargame: https://meeplelikeus.co.uk/scrabble-1948/ . My favorite quote:

>‘This isn’t the game as you have been told it is played’, said Keel. ‘If you play Scrabble this way, no-one else will ever want to play it with you. It’s exhausting to look at a board in terms of positional vulnerability. Nobody thinks you’re smart for exploiting the small, agile words in the Scrabble dictionary. They think you’re a dick. This is not fun. We get something different out of this. This is tactical. This is satisfying. Your letters aren’t parts of words. They’re weapons and you need to employ them when you can do the most damage.

Re: Man wins French Scrabble championship without speaking a word of French (2015)

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post #32

> Man wins French Scrabble championship without speaking a word of French > Nigel Richards of Christchurch, New Zealand, memorized French dictionary in nine weeks It would appear that he speaks all the words of French. He may not speak the syntactically correct language but knowing all the words should take you a long way to winning this competition. Reading the title I assumed he only used neologisms and other words…

He knows what the words are and their spelling, but has no idea about their meaning.

Re: Man wins French Scrabble championship without speaking a word of French (2015)

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post #32

> Man wins French Scrabble championship without speaking a word of French > Nigel Richards of Christchurch, New Zealand, memorized French dictionary in nine weeks It would appear that he speaks all the words of French. He may not speak the syntactically correct language but knowing all the words should take you a long way to winning this competition. Reading the title I assumed he only used neologisms and other words…

He knows what the words are and their spelling, but has no idea about their meaning.

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