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Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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When I was younger (~18 yo), I always dreamed of leaving my small central European country and moving to the States, Canada, or somewhere in Australia. I couldn't imagine staying at home. It simply wasn't exciting enough and I didn't see my future here. My buddy and I used to hype ourselves up and talk about our future plans, which country we'd move to, in which ways we'd survive (our brightest idea at the time was d…

One thing I noticed about travellers was they can be put into two buckets:

#1. The lost. Running away from problems at home (or travelling for vague reasons).

#2. The motivated. Going to a country with purpose to do stuff.

It sounds to me like you did #1, and if you do it again perhaps you need to find a drive for #2.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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This same old tired story... It turns out happiness takes lot of work. Having a healthy social life takes a lot of trying, failing, and some successes that you cherish. Some people tragically take their co-workers as their friends and the office as their social environment. That's really dangerous. You need to go out there and try, be awkward, fight to make some close friends in the real world. Office drama and venti…

A lot of this comment isn’t born out in reality. Around 30% of marriages in the US are from people who met in the office, plenty of people make life long friends from people they met at work, etc.

I’m not saying that should be the primary place you look for friends or an SO, but plenty of people are successful doing it.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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post #13

I am a fully remote worker nowhere near my "office", which is simply where our company is technically HQd. I have never met my boss or any of my coworkers in person. I do highly technical work, on a team that only hires very senior developers who have prior remote work experience. And I can say, it is NOT for everyone. If you do not have a life out of work, if you live alone, if you do not have a good network of real…

Man, so much of what you write resonates with me, and quite much matches some of my current questions or ponderings.

I would love to be able to meet a few people in similar situations around a bonfire, and chat like friends. Perhaps we'd come away with some insights; otherwise, we'd have at least enjoyed the company of a few new friends and some warm fire light.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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This same old tired story... It turns out happiness takes lot of work. Having a healthy social life takes a lot of trying, failing, and some successes that you cherish. Some people tragically take their co-workers as their friends and the office as their social environment. That's really dangerous. You need to go out there and try, be awkward, fight to make some close friends in the real world. Office drama and venti…

A lot of this comment isn’t born out in reality. Around 30% of marriages in the US are from people who met in the office, plenty of people make life long friends from people they met at work, etc. I’m not saying that should be the primary place you look for friends or an SO, but plenty of people are successful doing it.

This becomes a bigger topic but if those people never had worked together they probably wouldn't have met and more over is that a initiated out of convenience or pressure of having to date or hang out with a co-corker because they are always around and you have to see them frequently or daily?

What happened to meeting people naturally outside of a forced setting?

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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post #13

I am a fully remote worker nowhere near my "office", which is simply where our company is technically HQd. I have never met my boss or any of my coworkers in person. I do highly technical work, on a team that only hires very senior developers who have prior remote work experience. And I can say, it is NOT for everyone. If you do not have a life out of work, if you live alone, if you do not have a good network of real…

Are you me? Some of my personal anecdotes going through the exact same circumstances (I'm also currently applying for dual US/Irish citizenship): 1) I hate working out. I don't want to do it. But when I do, I feel momentously better afterwards. I have not worked out consistently in the last 12 mo. 2) I hate cooking and cleaning up after cooking. I don't want to do it. But when I do, I feel better afterwards. I have n…

I know it's easier said than done, but you can't rely on work alone to make you happy. You have to take that task on yourself. I would even go so far to say you shouldn't even rely on your spouse to make you happy. They should complement you.

I would also say that you have to embrace the biggest benefit of remote work - personal agency. Most remote workers I know (myself included) can for the most part work when we want to work. I can workout at 10am or go train BJJ at 9:30am. Instead of having to shape my day around work, I can shape work around my day. The personal agency aspect is the biggest benefit for me, and one that I would be hard pressed to ever give up at this point.

BTW, working from home should make it much easier to maintain the weight you want since healthy food options should be easier at home. WFH means I can throw some chicken and veggies on the grill at lunch for a healthy and cheap meal.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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post #59

I work mostly remotely (although I do visit my clients every now and then), and many of the pitfalls in the article are real, and I had to deal with some of them. One is the ability to work whenever the hell you want. For me this led to working in the dead of the night. I'd start at around 7PM in earnest and finish by 4AM (!). If you have a family, this is not a sustainable situation, so I had to fix that. It was sur…

Excellent points, corresponding strongly with my experience.

When I've shifted to night schedules, it's almost always been because daylight hours impose too many interruptions. Even very slight distractions can be hugely distruptive, particularly over time. These range from ringing phones to various street and environment noise (traffic, voices, landscaping equipment, construction), conversations or activities elsewhere in the household or building. Conversations by those you know are exceptionally distracting, far beyond all apparent proportion. The low chatter of a cafe can be tolerable, but a significant other, manager, or co-worker having a quiet converstation nearby will grab your attention, because it could be consequential.

If you don't have full control of your workspace, you've got the added issues of insufficient working room, things not remaining where you put them, and disagreements over organisation and environment (hot/cold, light/dark, windows open/closed, music/none, metal or classical, etc., etc.). Dominion matters tremendously.

The long-term vs. speculative projects issue is one that seems to hinge on trust and communications channel quality. In-person, in-office work benefits by butts-on-seats and the fact that your manager can personally and directly verify you're working on what you said you would be. Creative and speculative work is tremendously uncertain and hard to express / quantify, both as to possible value and any potential progress being made. This is one of a number of problems under the domain of what I call "manifestation", effectively, how directly manifest, tangible, or perceptible a thing is. While direct physical labour is immediately tangible (holes enlarge, wood sawed, big rocks become little oens), intellectual challenges don't lend themselves to ready visualisation or perception. A huge amount of workplace fads over the past half century (and before) have sought to address this. Most poorly.

Finding a manager (or client) who has a good grasp of this might help. I'm really not one to claim solutions, though I think I've a handle on the problem.

And writ large, this is the problem with remote work: it's not manifest.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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post #24

There is really no reason why you cannot have a vibrant social life as a remote worker, or as a digital nomad. The latter is much harder but it's a choice that people make and I would assume they make it knowingly.

"No reason' != "objectively more difficult".

Rootlessness is real and hard.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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post #13

I am a fully remote worker nowhere near my "office", which is simply where our company is technically HQd. I have never met my boss or any of my coworkers in person. I do highly technical work, on a team that only hires very senior developers who have prior remote work experience. And I can say, it is NOT for everyone. If you do not have a life out of work, if you live alone, if you do not have a good network of real…

If available, I strongly urge you to find a local coworking center that focuses on community (ie. not WeWork or a similar executive office relabeled as coworking). Try poking around on https://coworking.org/visa or https://wiki.coworking.org/w/page/29303049/Directory.

I've been full-time remote for my entire software development career and have happily taken advantage of it for occasional travels and such, but for the most part live in one place and love the community that I've plugged into. Finding a place where I'm surrounded every workday by people that I get along with rather than sitting at home with my dog and my computer has been totally integral to that.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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post #88

Out of topic but do anyone know an online community of remote workers?

I'm working on one: https://reworkin.com . I do think there are some discord/slack channels too. There's also nomadlist but it's mainly about nomadism

Thanks! I've just registered
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