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Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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I love working remotely, I dread the prison of the corporate offices and commuting hours a day. Probably nothing you can do can cut your carbon footprint as much as working remotely.

That said, I am over 40, with solid friedship relations built over decades, have kids, an ex-wife which is a friend, a younger nerdy but social girlfriend.

Basically, I don't need the work environment for social needs. But once upon a time, when I was younger, my life was the office, and my colleagues. School teaches you that you need an organization where you are physically present everyday to have social interactions, you start working with this mindset, probably in a different city, it takes a few years for you to realize that there's life outside work. And YOU WILL learn it after the first layoff in your life. So, if you are young, I'd recommend starting your life in a office, but never put all your eggs in the same basket. Look to know people outside your company, people that don't even do the same work as you do. Travel, do yoga classes, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, reading circles, whatever, but never believe that you need an office to meet your social needs. You'll need it for a time, it is good to bootstrap your life on relationship terms, heck, you can even do it for the rest of your life. But never, even for a minute, believe that you can't have a social life, friends, meet a significant other without an office.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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Is it true that most remote-first companies only hire people who have already significant (>1yr) experience working remotely? That's the impression I have reading this and other HN threads about remote work.

It's sort of a catch-22 situation, not dissimilar to the one beginning developers find themselves in when looking for jobs that require experience.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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My company is 100% distributed. We have people between California and Moscow.

We try to employ people who have a motivation to work remotely--ability to travel, desire for more flexibility to be with family, reduce commute times, etc. For people with those motivations, remote work can be a real benefit and actually gives us an edge in hiring.

I've been working remotely fully or mostly for the last 12 years. It's great--I can structure my time to ensure I get enough exercise, take naps when necessary, and generally avoid the constraints of some artificial 9-5 clock. It's not for everyone, but at this point I would hate to have a full-time job in an office.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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I am a fully remote worker nowhere near my "office", which is simply where our company is technically HQd. I have never met my boss or any of my coworkers in person. I do highly technical work, on a team that only hires very senior developers who have prior remote work experience. And I can say, it is NOT for everyone. If you do not have a life out of work, if you live alone, if you do not have a good network of real…

Choose some hobbies and find some local community supporting them. Engage in lessons around them, or offer lessons yourself. It doesn't matter where, but do not wait for things to happen, make them happen.

I'd love to see more around helping people choose hobbies. My problem is finding ones I can sink my teeth into and be passionate about. But coming across those is finding a needle in a haystack.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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Is it true that most remote-first companies only hire people who have already significant (>1yr) experience working remotely? That's the impression I have reading this and other HN threads about remote work. It's sort of a catch-22 situation, not dissimilar to the one beginning developers find themselves in when looking for jobs that require experience.

No. We hire people who are working in offices in their current jobs, but I usually discuss remote work during the interview process to make sure they understand what they are getting into.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

#57

This shocked me: "to encourage wellbeing: 40 days paid vacation per year: True disconnection is fundamental to help people de-stress and recharge." Is this common elsewhere in the world? In the US, it Seems like 10 or 15 days is the norm, and maybe 20 after 5 years. What do the FAANG+ companies offer? Does the 2 months of vacation also contribute to that disconnected feeling, I wonder?

In the Netherlands some/many people work 40 hours on a 36 hour contract, resulting in almost 10 weeks of paid vacation as well. It's worth a lot to me.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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This shocked me: "to encourage wellbeing: 40 days paid vacation per year: True disconnection is fundamental to help people de-stress and recharge." Is this common elsewhere in the world? In the US, it Seems like 10 or 15 days is the norm, and maybe 20 after 5 years. What do the FAANG+ companies offer? Does the 2 months of vacation also contribute to that disconnected feeling, I wonder?

(At a fortune 500 company)

I negotiated 20 days vacation starting (or one month). Plus, 5 days carry over. At 5 years that number increases to 30 days (or six weeks).

I also get 5 sick days and get 8 weeks paternity leave.

Honestly, I take probably 2 months off a year in two week increments.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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I work mostly remotely (although I do visit my clients every now and then), and many of the pitfalls in the article are real, and I had to deal with some of them.

One is the ability to work whenever the hell you want. For me this led to working in the dead of the night. I'd start at around 7PM in earnest and finish by 4AM (!). If you have a family, this is not a sustainable situation, so I had to fix that. It was surprisingly difficult to fix - I'm a night owl naturally, my best work is done late in the day, the later - the better. But I go to bed at 12AM now, which isn't too bad.

Another very real issue is the separation of work and life. That I dealt with by only doing work in one place at my house. I have a separate "work" desk, and a separate set of hardware there (computers are provided by clients), and I don't do work anywhere else. I also have different login keys on client hardware and SSH password login is disabled, so I can't log into them from my personal laptop even if I want to. Finally, I have a separate GSuite account for work Gmail, and Chrome profile, and there's no "work" chrome profile on my personal laptop. This solves the problem reasonably well, without the expense of renting an office, and time sink of adding a commute. This would have been an intolerable situation if I had small kids or a needy spouse though. I'd have to rent an office then.

WRT "mental health" issues, I feel like I'm doing all right on that front. If anything, visiting the offices is more stressful than not going anywhere. It's much noisier and much harder to focus when I'm there. But I suspect the transition would be a lot less clear cut if the office arrangement were more humane, like it was at, say, MS in early 00's - individual offices where you can close the door, library noise levels. I had one of those as late as in 2009. It was heaven compared to what you get now (including at MS). I kept my door open most of the time, but when I needed to really focus, I had the option of doing so.

I think one important thing is to keep a conversation going with whoever manages you and with your direct teammates. You don't have to get into everyone's face, but a low traffic, async Slack channel is pretty indispensable IMO, as is the brief weekly report on what's been done and what remains to be done. If this is not done, it could appear that you aren't doing much: people won't naturally make the consistent effort to go and look, and even if they do, it's often not easy to see the difficulties you've experienced. I.e. you could spend a few days debugging a gnarly issue in TF 2.0 (of which it has a surprising number), and the fix might be one line. That could very easily appear like you've been slacking off most of the week if the only info the other side has about the fix is a brief blurb in the PR.

Finally, another issue is that I feel like remote is more suitable to the kind of work which is not speculative in nature, and where you can deliver results of a predictable size at a roughly even cadence. With some of the best work I've done in my career that hasn't been so: delivery was very uneven, and I'd sometimes not submit anything for weeks on end just because I was thinking of (and prototyping) how best to do what I was trying to do. I imagine that'd be problematic in a remote arrangement, especially if you change a steep hourly rate, like I do.

If someone has found a solution to this last problem, please share.

Re: Isolation, anxiety, and depression in the remote workplace

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This shocked me: "to encourage wellbeing: 40 days paid vacation per year: True disconnection is fundamental to help people de-stress and recharge." Is this common elsewhere in the world? In the US, it Seems like 10 or 15 days is the norm, and maybe 20 after 5 years. What do the FAANG+ companies offer? Does the 2 months of vacation also contribute to that disconnected feeling, I wonder?

30 days here in brazil per year. No theoretical limits on sick days as long as you're really sick, but after 15 days in the hospital, the government pays you instead of your company (at a progressively reduced scale, of course, if you make lots of money, it is just fair that the government should need to help you less than someone who makes minimum wages).
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