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1.5M Packages a Day Bring Chaos to NYC Streets

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Re: 1.5M Packages a Day Bring Chaos to NYC Streets

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Agreed, the streets are dangerous for bicyclists. Is the train and walking serviceable for your commute?

No. It'd take MUCH longer. Cycling, and other micro-mobility solutions like e-scooters, really are an excellent choice for many people's commutes. We just need to take away some of the street space that's been devoted for vehicles (which don't scale properly to a city of this density anyway) in order to enable more of these commutes. And once we get a lot of vehicles off the roads and replaced with much smaller bikes…

It sounds like you are trading time for safety, you are uncomfortable with your choice, and you now wish to make your tradeoffs someone else's problem.

Re: 1.5M Packages a Day Bring Chaos to NYC Streets

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100% agreed. This is a trivially solvable problem, and the only thing standing in the way is the fact that politicians are terrified to upset the small minority of people who currently benefit from free on-street parking. We're currently giving away huge amounts of the most valuable real estate in the country, and we need to reclaim it for publicly beneficial uses including bus lanes, bike lanes, and designated loadi…

It’s not being given away. They pay taxes to live in the city and at 3% it’s not cheap. I live in the city and think having a car is ridiculous in many parts but let’s remember that the citizens are paying a lot of tax. Forcing everyone to use a garage is elitist as they run over $600/month.

That $600/month is roughly the land value of of the parking space. Were the parking free, you would be paying that money implicitly through higher rents.

A car in Manhattan is definitely a luxury item: space is at a premium, and single-occupant vehicles are the least efficient use of that space. If you want to use that space so wastefully, I see no reason why you shouldn't be charged the full cost of that decision.

Re: 1.5M Packages a Day Bring Chaos to NYC Streets

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wow, a legal DOS.

The same happens with pharmaceutical, financial or probably all companies and people with enough money . Often it’s very expensive to prosecute them so they get let off the hook or pay a settlement. That’s how we end up with a two class society where some participants are above the law because they have money for lawyers.

I guess that kind of shit doesn't fly in authoritarian countries where the corporations fear the government instead of the other way around, as shown by all the recent China appeasement.

Re: 1.5M Packages a Day Bring Chaos to NYC Streets

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post #52

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It seems boots are reserved for poor people. I've only ever seen boots on run down cars in working class neighborhoods like Crown Heights or Bed Stuy.

I've seen a boot on a Lamborghini somewhere in my neighborhood. It was one of the very few cases I ever saw a Lamborghini around; most cars in my neighborhood are way less expensive.

Boots are for cars which are not worth towing. Really cheap cars are unlikely to make any money if you bring it to a towyard. A Lambo, if damaged, would cost more in incidental repair than you would get out of the owner.

Re: 1.5M Packages a Day Bring Chaos to NYC Streets

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Last month I was moving out of an apartment in midtown. My entire block, avenue to avenue, is a no standing zone for some reason. The doorman said it was just changed a couple years ago. I rented a moving truck, parked it in a garage for $60 while I finished packing up, moved the truck to the building entrance where UPS/Fedex trucks are constantly parking, put the hazards on and loaded up the truck with my stuff as fast as possible. Still got a ticket. I am really confused as to how a law-abiding person is supposed to move out of their apartment while not getting a ticket? Especially when UPS trucks seem to have no issue standing around there for hours.

Re: 1.5M Packages a Day Bring Chaos to NYC Streets

#67
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> They racked up more than 471,000 parking violations last year... I knew someone who owned a trucking company. They had a lawyer on retainer and every month or so they would gather all the parking tickets, go to a judge (or city official) and cut a deal to pay a fraction of the actual owed amount for all the tickets. This is because, if they did not comply, each ticket would be fought tooth and nail, and the city wo…

wow, a legal DOS.

People could use it too if they'd just fight every traffic ticket.

Re: 1.5M Packages a Day Bring Chaos to NYC Streets

#68

Last month I was moving out of an apartment in midtown. My entire block, avenue to avenue, is a no standing zone for some reason. The doorman said it was just changed a couple years ago. I rented a moving truck, parked it in a garage for $60 while I finished packing up, moved the truck to the building entrance where UPS/Fedex trucks are constantly parking, put the hazards on and loaded up the truck with my stuff as f…

> how a law-abiding person is supposed to move out of their apartment while not getting a ticket?

You can't. Paying tickets when moving in or moving out is just part of the cost of living in midtown.

Re: 1.5M Packages a Day Bring Chaos to NYC Streets

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The problem isn't trucks -- obviously, it's hugely more efficient for a single truck+driver to deliver 100's of packages in a single day than for 100's of individual people to spend an hour each going to/from a store, and even worse for congestion if even more than a few are taking individual vehicles. The problem is parking. And the solution is obvious: multiple truck-length parking spaces along each and every block…

> Which, logistically, would be relatively trivial to implement -- just painted lines and signs.

Plus consistent enforcement, preferably automated enforcement. Enforcement of existing bus and bike lanes is a bad joke.

Re: 1.5M Packages a Day Bring Chaos to NYC Streets

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No. It'd take MUCH longer. Cycling, and other micro-mobility solutions like e-scooters, really are an excellent choice for many people's commutes. We just need to take away some of the street space that's been devoted for vehicles (which don't scale properly to a city of this density anyway) in order to enable more of these commutes. And once we get a lot of vehicles off the roads and replaced with much smaller bikes…

It sounds like you are trading time for safety, you are uncomfortable with your choice, and you now wish to make your tradeoffs someone else's problem.

It's the city's responsibility (and in its best interests) to create a safe, effective transportation network that moves as many people as efficiently as possible. The better the transportation network of a city runs, the better that city will be, as less time is wasted in transit and jobs are performed more efficiently, and more taxes are paid and more businesses and people move in. It is simply physically impossible to service even a fraction of the transportation needs of New York City using full-size single-occupancy motor vehicles. The city is way too dense and there isn't nearly enough space for that many vehicles, not even if you ripped out entire blocks and laid down ten-lane highways through Manhattan. So the city must support more efficient transportation methods that can scale to the density of the city, and these include trains, buses, and last mile micro-mobility solutions like bikes, bike share, scooters, etc.

So in this context, what exactly is your argument? Are you saying that it's OK for it to be rampantly unsafe for people to use the kinds of scaleable options that are necessary to efficiently scale transportation in this city? Because I can tell you the city certainly doesn't think so, and is putting in dozens of miles of new protected bike lanes each year as part of the long-running Vision Zero initiative. And yes, we're even starting to deprioritize vehicles, as you've seen with the 14th St busway recently.

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