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Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by anilakar »

empath75 wrote: post #7
anilakar wrote: post #4

Why are most of the tweets mentioning deportation? Surveillance aside, since when has it been a human right to attend a festival in a country you are not allowed to reside in?

Someone always makes this comment every time illegal immigration is mentioned as if the law is the final word on what is just. And then they’ll complain about someone going to prison for being a whistleblower or pirating movies or cheer on the protestors in Hong Kong.

Where I live, work permits are so easy (or automatic through the virtue of being in Schengen area) to get that illegal immigration basically does not exist, so the whole idea is vague at best to me.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by luqmanbadar »

empath75 wrote: post #7
anilakar wrote: post #4

Why are most of the tweets mentioning deportation? Surveillance aside, since when has it been a human right to attend a festival in a country you are not allowed to reside in?

Someone always makes this comment every time illegal immigration is mentioned as if the law is the final word on what is just. And then they’ll complain about someone going to prison for being a whistleblower or pirating movies or cheer on the protestors in Hong Kong.

You are absolutly right

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by [deleted] »

jstanley wrote: post #9
anilakar wrote: post #4

Why are most of the tweets mentioning deportation? Surveillance aside, since when has it been a human right to attend a festival in a country you are not allowed to reside in?

It should be a human right to exist at a public place/event anywhere on Earth, regardless of which country you were born in.

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Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by mc32 »

anilakar wrote: post #4

Why are most of the tweets mentioning deportation? Surveillance aside, since when has it been a human right to attend a festival in a country you are not allowed to reside in?

Because it’s the cause celebre today. The causes are often cultivated by different loose organizations like influential people, moneyed people, media and eventually elementary schools. Sometimes the issues are leftist, sometimes rightist. Today leftist ideas are in ascension, ten years from now, who knows.

Ten years ago it wouldn’t have been a thing. There were other issues. These things come and go like fashion. Twenty thirty years ago it was self determination of nations, today its “there should be no borders” which is the opposite of self determination of nations.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by michaelt »

bsenftner wrote: post #8

The ban is not going to happen. It's an issue of public safety and venue liability. FR use at video game conferences is a must, because every one has a series of morons threatening the venue, the conference, and the host. It is very difficult today to host any type of public event without multiple individuals taking their displeasure to extreme levels and making threats they might carry out. For such reasons, FR is b…

It was my understanding that most people who threaten venues do so anonymously, making facial recognition useless - can you cite any sources saying this isn't the case?

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by learc83 »

anilakar wrote: post #11
empath75 wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Someone always makes this comment every time illegal immigration is mentioned as if the law is the final word on what is just. And then they’ll complain about someone going to prison for being a whistleblower or pirating movies or cheer on the protestors in Hong Kong.

Where I live, work permits are so easy (or automatic through the virtue of being in Schengen area) to get that illegal immigration basically does not exist, so the whole idea is vague at best to me.

Where in the Schengen area does illegal immigration basically not exist?

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by greggman2 »

bsenftner wrote: post #8

The ban is not going to happen. It's an issue of public safety and venue liability. FR use at video game conferences is a must, because every one has a series of morons threatening the venue, the conference, and the host. It is very difficult today to host any type of public event without multiple individuals taking their displeasure to extreme levels and making threats they might carry out. For such reasons, FR is b…

what changed? FR didn't exist 10 years ago but the events did so why do the events need FR now?

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by michaelt »

mc32 wrote: post #12
julienreszka wrote: post #5

What is the original intent of the use of facial recognition at festivals? Is it drug trafficking tracking? Terrorism tracking? Satisfaction tracking?

Probably to avoid liability ala Mandalay Bay.

Wikipedia tells me the shooter "was a high-stakes gambler who placed bets at a high enough level to earn valuable comps—free benefits such as rooms and meals."

If they'd had facial recognition, it'd only be for staff to treat him as a VIP.

Re: Ban Facial Recognition at Festivals

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Post by sneak »

anilakar wrote: post #4

Why are most of the tweets mentioning deportation? Surveillance aside, since when has it been a human right to attend a festival in a country you are not allowed to reside in?

The right to go about your business without your location being tracked automatically and in bulk is recognized regardless of one’s immigration status.
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